<< >> NASA ASRS Report 622275, May 2003

Flight crew of B737 receive pre departure clearance from ewr clearance delivery which clears them via both the fisla and newark sids.

Attributes
ACN	622275
Time
Date	200305
Day	Sun
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	airport : ewr.airport
State Reference	NJ
Altitude	agl single value : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	IMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	B737 Undifferentiated or Other Model
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Flight Phase	ground : parked ground : preflight
Route In Use	departure sid : ewr
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine
Experience	flight time total : 7500 flight time type : 3000
ASRS Report	622275
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Events
Anomaly	other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other flight crewa other flight crewb
Resolutory Action	controller : issued new clearance flight crew : became reoriented other
Consequence	faa : reviewed incident with flight crew Other
Supplementary
Problem Areas	ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance
Primary Problem	ATC Human Performance

Narrative:

Pre departure clearance was issued to us that created confusion as to the departure procedure we were expected to fly. We were cleared via the FISLA1 departure in the first block of the clearance. The next block of the clearance contains the statement 'newark 7 departure except maintain 2500 ft.' this is obviously in conflict with the first black. When we queried ATC as to what we were expected to fly. They advised that we were to fly the fisla 1 except maintain 2500 ft. (We were departing runway 22R and the FISLA1 departure altitude for that direction is 5000 ft, as it is for the newark 7. The confusion is that there are 2 departure procedures listed, both as part of the clearance.

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Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: FLT CREW OF B737 RECEIVE PDC FROM EWR CLRNC DELIVERY WHICH CLRS THEM VIA BOTH THE FISLA AND NEWARK SIDS.

Narrative: PDC WAS ISSUED TO US THAT CREATED CONFUSION AS TO THE DEP PROC WE WERE EXPECTED TO FLY. WE WERE CLRED VIA THE FISLA1 DEP IN THE FIRST BLOCK OF THE CLRNC. THE NEXT BLOCK OF THE CLRNC CONTAINS THE STATEMENT 'NEWARK 7 DEP EXCEPT MAINTAIN 2500 FT.' THIS IS OBVIOUSLY IN CONFLICT WITH THE FIRST BLACK. WHEN WE QUERIED ATC AS TO WHAT WE WERE EXPECTED TO FLY. THEY ADVISED THAT WE WERE TO FLY THE FISLA 1 EXCEPT MAINTAIN 2500 FT. (WE WERE DEPARTING RWY 22R AND THE FISLA1 DEP ALT FOR THAT DIRECTION IS 5000 FT, AS IT IS FOR THE NEWARK 7. THE CONFUSION IS THAT THERE ARE 2 DEP PROCS LISTED, BOTH AS PART OF THE CLRNC.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.