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Attributes | |
ACN | 630872 |
Time | |
Date | 200409 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | intersection : symon |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 12000 msl bound upper : 14000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zla.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-80 Series (DC-9-80) Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zla.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B747 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
ASRS Report | 630872 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met altitude deviation : undershoot non adherence : company policies non adherence : clearance non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : radar aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : altimeters other controllera other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
Consequence | other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We were turned off course 20 degrees for a heavy B747 we were in trail of. Eventually we were cleared back on course. We were told to cross symon at 12000 ft, a few mins later we were told to slow to 250 KTS. I disconnected performance and slowed with vertical speed to 250 KTS. My first officer and I were both very intent on the B747 traffic and I didn't reconnect performance. When I realized we were high we were just overhead symon at 14000 ft. ATC cleared us to 10000 ft and there was no conflict, nothing was said by us or ATC. Sometimes it is better to use the old one guy fly, the other look out the window, but we both spotted the traffic at the same time while I should have just stayed heads down.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MD80 CREW DID NOT COMPLY WITH AN ATC ISSUED XING RESTR IN ZLA CLASS E.
Narrative: WE WERE TURNED OFF COURSE 20 DEGS FOR A HVY B747 WE WERE IN TRAIL OF. EVENTUALLY WE WERE CLRED BACK ON COURSE. WE WERE TOLD TO CROSS SYMON AT 12000 FT, A FEW MINS LATER WE WERE TOLD TO SLOW TO 250 KTS. I DISCONNECTED PERFORMANCE AND SLOWED WITH VERT SPD TO 250 KTS. MY FO AND I WERE BOTH VERY INTENT ON THE B747 TFC AND I DIDN'T RECONNECT PERFORMANCE. WHEN I REALIZED WE WERE HIGH WE WERE JUST OVERHEAD SYMON AT 14000 FT. ATC CLRED US TO 10000 FT AND THERE WAS NO CONFLICT, NOTHING WAS SAID BY US OR ATC. SOMETIMES IT IS BETTER TO USE THE OLD ONE GUY FLY, THE OTHER LOOK OUT THE WINDOW, BUT WE BOTH SPOTTED THE TFC AT THE SAME TIME WHILE I SHOULD HAVE JUST STAYED HEADS DOWN.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.