Narrative:

Working nse/ndz arrival/departure sector. Nse had closed early; all arrs were landing at ndz (T34's and helicopters). P31/nse LOA does not cover VFR course rule arrs to ndz. I tried to call ndz to coordination; but they would not answer the landline. Tried again. They finally answered; but the ndz controller said they did not know how to handle it; and their supervisor would call me back. They did not call back; and I was working several other aircraft; so I had our supervisor call them. They finally answered and said to vector the T34's for a VFR straight-in to runway 5. I did this; and as I was vectoring the 2ND T34 (VFR) to follow the first one; I noticed the first T34 was turning away from the airport. I called ndz. When they finally answered; they said they had given the first T34 a 360 degree turn. No coordination or approval was given prior to them doing this; and had I not kept altitude separation between the two; they possibly could have hit. This type of thing happens often with nse/ndz towers. They often don't seem to know what's going on; and although the FAA is aware of the deficiencies with the navy towers; they always write it off as 'it's the navy' or 'they're training' they are aware of the problems but will do nothing to try to get the navy to correct them.

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Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: P31 CTR EXPRESSED FRUSTRATION REGARDING FAILED COORD ATTEMPTS WITH ADJACENT NAVY FACILITY AND EXISTING LOA PROVISIONS.

Narrative: WORKING NSE/NDZ ARR/DEP SECTOR. NSE HAD CLOSED EARLY; ALL ARRS WERE LNDG AT NDZ (T34'S AND HELIS). P31/NSE LOA DOES NOT COVER VFR COURSE RULE ARRS TO NDZ. I TRIED TO CALL NDZ TO COORD; BUT THEY WOULD NOT ANSWER THE LANDLINE. TRIED AGAIN. THEY FINALLY ANSWERED; BUT THE NDZ CTLR SAID THEY DID NOT KNOW HOW TO HANDLE IT; AND THEIR SUPVR WOULD CALL ME BACK. THEY DID NOT CALL BACK; AND I WAS WORKING SEVERAL OTHER ACFT; SO I HAD OUR SUPVR CALL THEM. THEY FINALLY ANSWERED AND SAID TO VECTOR THE T34'S FOR A VFR STRAIGHT-IN TO RWY 5. I DID THIS; AND AS I WAS VECTORING THE 2ND T34 (VFR) TO FOLLOW THE FIRST ONE; I NOTICED THE FIRST T34 WAS TURNING AWAY FROM THE ARPT. I CALLED NDZ. WHEN THEY FINALLY ANSWERED; THEY SAID THEY HAD GIVEN THE FIRST T34 A 360 DEG TURN. NO COORD OR APPROVAL WAS GIVEN PRIOR TO THEM DOING THIS; AND HAD I NOT KEPT ALT SEPARATION BTWN THE TWO; THEY POSSIBLY COULD HAVE HIT. THIS TYPE OF THING HAPPENS OFTEN WITH NSE/NDZ TWRS. THEY OFTEN DON'T SEEM TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON; AND ALTHOUGH THE FAA IS AWARE OF THE DEFICIENCIES WITH THE NAVY TWRS; THEY ALWAYS WRITE IT OFF AS 'IT'S THE NAVY' OR 'THEY'RE TRAINING' THEY ARE AWARE OF THE PROBS BUT WILL DO NOTHING TO TRY TO GET THE NAVY TO CORRECT THEM.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.