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Attributes | |
ACN | 671921 |
Time | |
Date | 200509 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : pit.airport |
State Reference | PA |
Altitude | msl single value : 12000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zob.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Dash 8 Series Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zob.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Dash 8 Series Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : radar |
Qualification | controller : radar |
Experience | controller radar : 15 controller time certified in position1 : 5 |
ASRS Report | 671921 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : required legal separation |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | faa : investigated |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
Both departures level at 11000 ft; 6 mi; same route; same type aircraft; same company. Radar equipment not giving a good readout on speeds yet. LOA between ZOB and pit says 5 mi constant or increasing between like types. I climbed both; back aircraft overtook front aircraft. Approach control should have assigned speeds to ensure separation. Front aircraft was a DH8-a; back aircraft a DH8-B = 60 KT overtake.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ZOB CTLR EXPERIENCED OPERROR AT 12000 FT WHEN CLBING 2 MINIMALLY SPACED DEPS WITH FOLLOWING ACFT OVERTAKING PRECEDING ACFT.
Narrative: BOTH DEPS LEVEL AT 11000 FT; 6 MI; SAME RTE; SAME TYPE ACFT; SAME COMPANY. RADAR EQUIP NOT GIVING A GOOD READOUT ON SPDS YET. LOA BTWN ZOB AND PIT SAYS 5 MI CONSTANT OR INCREASING BTWN LIKE TYPES. I CLBED BOTH; BACK ACFT OVERTOOK FRONT ACFT. APCH CTL SHOULD HAVE ASSIGNED SPDS TO ENSURE SEPARATION. FRONT ACFT WAS A DH8-A; BACK ACFT A DH8-B = 60 KT OVERTAKE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.