Narrative:

Zbaa deice workers do not seem to have any idea of 'clean aircraft concept.' I requested deice 4 times before wings were clear of snow. We noticed that most of the chinese airplanes taxiing out after the deice procedure had a significant amount of snow on the wings and tail. In my opinion; this is an unsafe operation. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter advised that the deicing is performed by airport personnel on the 'apron 5' area near taxiway zo. He stated that a 'full' initial spraying required only about five mins per aircraft vice five to ten times that much when performed by an air carrier deice crew in the us. He further stated that no information is provided to the flight crew as to the type of deicing fluid (type 1; type iv; etc) which makes it impossible for flight crews to determine accurate deice holdover times. In addition; the fluid used by the crews is foamy in nature making it difficult for the inspecting pilots to differentiate between build up and the fluid itself

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Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: CAPT OF MLG RPTS DEICE CREWS AT ZBAA FAIL TO ADEQUATELY REMOVE SNOW DURING INCLEMENT WX OPS.

Narrative: ZBAA DEICE WORKERS DO NOT SEEM TO HAVE ANY IDEA OF 'CLEAN ACFT CONCEPT.' I REQUESTED DEICE 4 TIMES BEFORE WINGS WERE CLR OF SNOW. WE NOTICED THAT MOST OF THE CHINESE AIRPLANES TAXIING OUT AFTER THE DEICE PROCEDURE HAD A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF SNOW ON THE WINGS AND TAIL. IN MY OPINION; THIS IS AN UNSAFE OPERATION. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR ADVISED THAT THE DEICING IS PERFORMED BY ARPT PERSONNEL ON THE 'APRON 5' AREA NEAR TXWY ZO. HE STATED THAT A 'FULL' INITIAL SPRAYING REQUIRED ONLY ABOUT FIVE MINS PER ACFT VICE FIVE TO TEN TIMES THAT MUCH WHEN PERFORMED BY AN ACR DEICE CREW IN THE US. HE FURTHER STATED THAT NO INFO IS PROVIDED TO THE FLT CREW AS TO THE TYPE OF DEICING FLUID (TYPE 1; TYPE IV; ETC) WHICH MAKES IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR FLT CREWS TO DETERMINE ACCURATE DEICE HOLDOVER TIMES. IN ADDITION; THE FLUID USED BY THE CREWS IS FOAMY IN NATURE MAKING IT DIFFICULT FOR THE INSPECTING PLTS TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN BUILD UP AND THE FLUID ITSELF

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.