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Attributes | |
ACN | 686740 |
Time | |
Date | 200602 |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | intersection : shero |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | msl single value : 25000 |
Environment | |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zfw.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-80 Series (DC-9-80) Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | departure sid : triss |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
ASRS Report | 686740 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
ASRS Report | 686744 |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : critical non adherence : company policies non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance controller : issued advisory |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Aircraft |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Was notified en route to contact ZFW due to possible pilot deviation. Called; was told we were 6 NM off course on departure. Autoplt was engaged from initial climb out and remained on. Waypoints were checked and I don't remember anything amiss. This whole thing has come as a surprise since neither of us are aware of what went wrong. If we were off course I would have liked to have known about it at the time so maybe we could have figured out what happened. This event has really bothered me since I honestly cannot reconstruct what went wrong and I wish I could because if I screwed up; I don't want to do it again. We were not notified that anything was wrong until we were several hundred miles down track and by then everything was gone as far as our FMS and both mine and my first officer's memories. I have been looking around on the website and found alert bulletin 2006:6/8-1 and that sounds as though that might have been what happened to us. I guess we missed shero; all I know is that we were told we were 6 NM off course and that came from my phone call to center on arrival at ZZZ. I cannot remember if we were cleared direct prior to shero and it dropped or if the FMS error occurred earlier than that. Too much time has gone by. I do check the waypoints as procedure; I don't remember anything amiss. I do remember the controller asking where we were going and as I recall that was in the middle of a request for a higher than filed altitude. I thought his request for our next waypoint was in regard to that altitude request as part of his coordination. It is not uncommon for things like that to happen. I have even had to ask controllers if they had me landing at the same airport as me; the company; and all the passenger wanted to land at. So I didn't take his query about my next waypoint as being too unusual. I certainly wasn't thinking about a track deviation since we were coupled in navigation with autoplt on and on the line. My guess is that shero was not there and where it went; I don't know. My first officer says he remembers seeing it. I guess that the first turns and restrictions have been such a problem that once you get by those you kind of breathe a sigh of relief. I know this isn't much information but it is as I remember it. If the airplane went off course as a result of the way we operated the FMS; then it is obviously my fault; maybe it was a 'gotcha'. It would be nice if ZFW notices us drifting off course that they say something at the time; it may have helped me figure out what went wrong.callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter stated the first the crew knew of an error was when ATC asked; 'where are you going?' the reporter's first response was his destination; ZZZ. ATC then asked for the next route fix; to which the reporter stated txk. ATC then cleared them direct txk and reporter did not know anything was wrong until in contact with abc center nearly 2 hours later when they were given a phone number to call. They were informed that a deviation was being filed on their 6 NM deviation. At that point; the reporter had no idea what had occurred. This is the first time he has experienced this error and it is his belief that the FMS contains a programming error. He has seen the FMS turn to points not on the flight plan for unknown reasons. It was the reporter's belief that in this dfw departure issue; when the flight was cleared navye direct triss; that the waypoint between triss and txk dropped out without creating a route discontinuity.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN MD80 CREW ON THE DFW TRISS2/TXK WAS FLYING DIRECT TXK AFTER TRISS BECAUSE THE INTERVENING WAYPOINTS DROPPED FROM THE FMS. ATC REDIRECTED ON RTE.
Narrative: WAS NOTIFIED ENRTE TO CONTACT ZFW DUE TO POSSIBLE PLT DEV. CALLED; WAS TOLD WE WERE 6 NM OFF COURSE ON DEP. AUTOPLT WAS ENGAGED FROM INITIAL CLBOUT AND REMAINED ON. WAYPOINTS WERE CHKED AND I DON'T REMEMBER ANYTHING AMISS. THIS WHOLE THING HAS COME AS A SURPRISE SINCE NEITHER OF US ARE AWARE OF WHAT WENT WRONG. IF WE WERE OFF COURSE I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE KNOWN ABOUT IT AT THE TIME SO MAYBE WE COULD HAVE FIGURED OUT WHAT HAPPENED. THIS EVENT HAS REALLY BOTHERED ME SINCE I HONESTLY CANNOT RECONSTRUCT WHAT WENT WRONG AND I WISH I COULD BECAUSE IF I SCREWED UP; I DON'T WANT TO DO IT AGAIN. WE WERE NOT NOTIFIED THAT ANYTHING WAS WRONG UNTIL WE WERE SEVERAL HUNDRED MILES DOWN TRACK AND BY THEN EVERYTHING WAS GONE AS FAR AS OUR FMS AND BOTH MINE AND MY FO'S MEMORIES. I HAVE BEEN LOOKING AROUND ON THE WEBSITE AND FOUND ALERT BULLETIN 2006:6/8-1 AND THAT SOUNDS AS THOUGH THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN WHAT HAPPENED TO US. I GUESS WE MISSED SHERO; ALL I KNOW IS THAT WE WERE TOLD WE WERE 6 NM OFF COURSE AND THAT CAME FROM MY PHONE CALL TO CTR ON ARR AT ZZZ. I CANNOT REMEMBER IF WE WERE CLRED DIRECT PRIOR TO SHERO AND IT DROPPED OR IF THE FMS ERROR OCCURRED EARLIER THAN THAT. TOO MUCH TIME HAS GONE BY. I DO CHK THE WAYPOINTS AS PROC; I DON'T REMEMBER ANYTHING AMISS. I DO REMEMBER THE CTLR ASKING WHERE WE WERE GOING AND AS I RECALL THAT WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF A REQUEST FOR A HIGHER THAN FILED ALT. I THOUGHT HIS REQUEST FOR OUR NEXT WAYPOINT WAS IN REGARD TO THAT ALT REQUEST AS PART OF HIS COORDINATION. IT IS NOT UNCOMMON FOR THINGS LIKE THAT TO HAPPEN. I HAVE EVEN HAD TO ASK CTLRS IF THEY HAD ME LNDG AT THE SAME ARPT AS ME; THE COMPANY; AND ALL THE PAX WANTED TO LAND AT. SO I DIDN'T TAKE HIS QUERY ABOUT MY NEXT WAYPOINT AS BEING TOO UNUSUAL. I CERTAINLY WASN'T THINKING ABOUT A TRACK DEV SINCE WE WERE COUPLED IN NAV WITH AUTOPLT ON AND ON THE LINE. MY GUESS IS THAT SHERO WAS NOT THERE AND WHERE IT WENT; I DON'T KNOW. MY FO SAYS HE REMEMBERS SEEING IT. I GUESS THAT THE FIRST TURNS AND RESTRICTIONS HAVE BEEN SUCH A PROBLEM THAT ONCE YOU GET BY THOSE YOU KIND OF BREATHE A SIGH OF RELIEF. I KNOW THIS ISN'T MUCH INFO BUT IT IS AS I REMEMBER IT. IF THE AIRPLANE WENT OFF COURSE AS A RESULT OF THE WAY WE OPERATED THE FMS; THEN IT IS OBVIOUSLY MY FAULT; MAYBE IT WAS A 'GOTCHA'. IT WOULD BE NICE IF ZFW NOTICES US DRIFTING OFF COURSE THAT THEY SAY SOMETHING AT THE TIME; IT MAY HAVE HELPED ME FIGURE OUT WHAT WENT WRONG.CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR STATED THE FIRST THE CREW KNEW OF AN ERROR WAS WHEN ATC ASKED; 'WHERE ARE YOU GOING?' THE RPTR'S FIRST RESPONSE WAS HIS DEST; ZZZ. ATC THEN ASKED FOR THE NEXT RTE FIX; TO WHICH THE RPTR STATED TXK. ATC THEN CLRED THEM DIRECT TXK AND RPTR DID NOT KNOW ANYTHING WAS WRONG UNTIL IN CONTACT WITH ABC CTR NEARLY 2 HOURS LATER WHEN THEY WERE GIVEN A PHONE NUMBER TO CALL. THEY WERE INFORMED THAT A DEV WAS BEING FILED ON THEIR 6 NM DEV. AT THAT POINT; THE RPTR HAD NO IDEA WHAT HAD OCCURRED. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME HE HAS EXPERIENCED THIS ERROR AND IT IS HIS BELIEF THAT THE FMS CONTAINS A PROGRAMMING ERROR. HE HAS SEEN THE FMS TURN TO POINTS NOT ON THE FLT PLAN FOR UNKNOWN REASONS. IT WAS THE RPTR'S BELIEF THAT IN THIS DFW DEP ISSUE; WHEN THE FLT WAS CLRED NAVYE DIRECT TRISS; THAT THE WAYPOINT BETWEEN TRISS AND TXK DROPPED OUT WITHOUT CREATING A RTE DISCONTINUITY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.