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Attributes | |
ACN | 698474 |
Time | |
Date | 200605 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : air.vor |
State Reference | OH |
Altitude | msl single value : 37000 |
Environment | |
Weather Elements | Thunderstorm |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zob.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | A319 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time type : 1500 |
ASRS Report | 698474 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude inflight encounter : turbulence non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory flight crew : returned to assigned altitude |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Aircraft Flight Crew Human Performance Environmental Factor |
Primary Problem | Environmental Factor |
Narrative:
ATC approved WX deviation between thunderstorm cells. Cruise flight; FL370; autoplt on; smooth air. Split difference between cells on radar; approximately 15 mi from each cell; variable cloud conditions; encountered some light turbulence; no traffic in immediate area; exited turbulence; and with autoplt on; encountered downdraft in excess of 1500 FPM. Quickly lost 400 ft. As I was about to contact ATC and advise; ATC contacted us and asked what our altitude was. I informed ATC that we had encountered a downdraft and had lost 400 ft and were now resuming level flight at FL370. No further comments from ATC regarding altitude deviation. No known traffic conflicts; very little turbulence of any consequence and autoplt engaged during entire event. Flight proceeded normally to destination; on time. It is unrealistic to say never fly near thunderstorms. In reality it is inevitable. We all try to give thunderstorms a wide berth and in this case we did. We had a 30 mi gap to fly through; split the difference; entered some clouds that were not showing any radar return. We encountered some light turbulence of little consequence; got into a downdraft that we had no way of knowing about. The only action I can espouse would be to stay home or carry enough fuel to give these small thunderstorm lines at least 100 miles of clearance. I've been circumnavigating thunderstorms for over 30 yrs and have not yet been able to make a foolproof determination as to precisely how close is too close. Keep your distance is the best advice.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A319 FLT CREW ENCOUNTERS TURB AND DOWNDRAFT VICINITY OF TSTMS; HAS 400 FT ALTDEV.
Narrative: ATC APPROVED WX DEV BTWN TSTM CELLS. CRUISE FLT; FL370; AUTOPLT ON; SMOOTH AIR. SPLIT DIFFERENCE BTWN CELLS ON RADAR; APPROX 15 MI FROM EACH CELL; VARIABLE CLOUD CONDITIONS; ENCOUNTERED SOME LIGHT TURB; NO TFC IN IMMEDIATE AREA; EXITED TURB; AND WITH AUTOPLT ON; ENCOUNTERED DOWNDRAFT IN EXCESS OF 1500 FPM. QUICKLY LOST 400 FT. AS I WAS ABOUT TO CONTACT ATC AND ADVISE; ATC CONTACTED US AND ASKED WHAT OUR ALT WAS. I INFORMED ATC THAT WE HAD ENCOUNTERED A DOWNDRAFT AND HAD LOST 400 FT AND WERE NOW RESUMING LEVEL FLT AT FL370. NO FURTHER COMMENTS FROM ATC REGARDING ALT DEV. NO KNOWN TFC CONFLICTS; VERY LITTLE TURB OF ANY CONSEQUENCE AND AUTOPLT ENGAGED DURING ENTIRE EVENT. FLT PROCEEDED NORMALLY TO DEST; ON TIME. IT IS UNREALISTIC TO SAY NEVER FLY NEAR TSTMS. IN REALITY IT IS INEVITABLE. WE ALL TRY TO GIVE TSTMS A WIDE BERTH AND IN THIS CASE WE DID. WE HAD A 30 MI GAP TO FLY THROUGH; SPLIT THE DIFFERENCE; ENTERED SOME CLOUDS THAT WERE NOT SHOWING ANY RADAR RETURN. WE ENCOUNTERED SOME LIGHT TURB OF LITTLE CONSEQUENCE; GOT INTO A DOWNDRAFT THAT WE HAD NO WAY OF KNOWING ABOUT. THE ONLY ACTION I CAN ESPOUSE WOULD BE TO STAY HOME OR CARRY ENOUGH FUEL TO GIVE THESE SMALL TSTM LINES AT LEAST 100 MILES OF CLEARANCE. I'VE BEEN CIRCUMNAVIGATING TSTMS FOR OVER 30 YRS AND HAVE NOT YET BEEN ABLE TO MAKE A FOOLPROOF DETERMINATION AS TO PRECISELY HOW CLOSE IS TOO CLOSE. KEEP YOUR DISTANCE IS THE BEST ADVICE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.