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Attributes | |
ACN | 699931 |
Time | |
Date | 200606 |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : 1a5.airport |
State Reference | NC |
Altitude | msl single value : 4700 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Make Model Name | Skyhawk 172/Cutlass 172 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Flight Plan | None |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Skylane 182/RG Turbo Skylane/RG |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | instruction : instructor |
Qualification | pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 90 flight time total : 8000 flight time type : 4000 |
ASRS Report | 699931 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | instruction : trainee |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac non adherence : published procedure non adherence : required legal separation non adherence : far |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 50 vertical : 6 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
I and a student pilot had taxied out to runway 7 at macon county; nc; airport. As my student finished the run-up on our C172; a C182 taxied up behind us for a presumed run-up. My student made the appropriate radio call; we looked; taxied out and took off; turning south down the valley that goes north/south below the town of franklin. As we leveled off at 5000 ft MSL; I announced to 'macon county traffic' our position relative to town and that we would be performing maneuvers in the area at approximately 5000 ft. There was no response on the radio. My student and I headed south down the valley; and about 8 mi south of franklin; turned north up the valley; at which time I made another announcement concerning our altitude (5000 ft) and intentions. No response was heard. As we approached the town of franklin; at 5000 ft and about 2 mi southeast; I heard the C182 announce his takeoff at macon county airport. This was approximately 20 mins after my student and I had taken off. This seemed strange to me; but I continued the instruction with my student. I announced that we were (then) southeast of the town at 4700 ft performing maneuvers. About 2 mins later; we had just finished an approach to landing stall when my student and I both saw the C182 slightly to our left; nose up approximately 12 degrees; banking increasingly to the left. They were banking to their right; about 6 ft above our plane; 50 ft ahead and closing rapidly. They missed; but not by much. I only had time to turn our aircraft to our right as they passed up and to our left. My student was shaken; but I continued the instruction; keeping things calm and assuring him that 'a miss is as good as a mi.' I called macon county's unicom for a radio check a couple of mins later; and was told by the local operator we were 'loud and clear.' as my student was speaking after the radio confirmation; I heard a radio call from the C182; reporting himself south. I did not catch all of the radio call; so I do not know if the C182 was mentioning the near miss or not. My student and I returned to the airport and did several takeoffs and lndgs without incident; or mention of the event until after the flight. My evaluation of my performance is that I could have been more alert; done maneuvers in another area; or directly asked the C182's pilot his location. I believe I acted properly in making several radio calls with position and altitude; and continuing the lesson to reduce the immediate alarm of my student.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A C172; WITH STUDENT AND INSTRUCTOR ABOARD; HAD NMAC WITH C182 NEAR MACON COUNTY ARPT; NC.
Narrative: I AND A STUDENT PLT HAD TAXIED OUT TO RWY 7 AT MACON COUNTY; NC; ARPT. AS MY STUDENT FINISHED THE RUN-UP ON OUR C172; A C182 TAXIED UP BEHIND US FOR A PRESUMED RUN-UP. MY STUDENT MADE THE APPROPRIATE RADIO CALL; WE LOOKED; TAXIED OUT AND TOOK OFF; TURNING S DOWN THE VALLEY THAT GOES N/S BELOW THE TOWN OF FRANKLIN. AS WE LEVELED OFF AT 5000 FT MSL; I ANNOUNCED TO 'MACON COUNTY TFC' OUR POS RELATIVE TO TOWN AND THAT WE WOULD BE PERFORMING MANEUVERS IN THE AREA AT APPROX 5000 FT. THERE WAS NO RESPONSE ON THE RADIO. MY STUDENT AND I HEADED S DOWN THE VALLEY; AND ABOUT 8 MI S OF FRANKLIN; TURNED N UP THE VALLEY; AT WHICH TIME I MADE ANOTHER ANNOUNCEMENT CONCERNING OUR ALT (5000 FT) AND INTENTIONS. NO RESPONSE WAS HEARD. AS WE APCHED THE TOWN OF FRANKLIN; AT 5000 FT AND ABOUT 2 MI SE; I HEARD THE C182 ANNOUNCE HIS TKOF AT MACON COUNTY ARPT. THIS WAS APPROX 20 MINS AFTER MY STUDENT AND I HAD TAKEN OFF. THIS SEEMED STRANGE TO ME; BUT I CONTINUED THE INSTRUCTION WITH MY STUDENT. I ANNOUNCED THAT WE WERE (THEN) SE OF THE TOWN AT 4700 FT PERFORMING MANEUVERS. ABOUT 2 MINS LATER; WE HAD JUST FINISHED AN APCH TO LNDG STALL WHEN MY STUDENT AND I BOTH SAW THE C182 SLIGHTLY TO OUR L; NOSE UP APPROX 12 DEGS; BANKING INCREASINGLY TO THE L. THEY WERE BANKING TO THEIR R; ABOUT 6 FT ABOVE OUR PLANE; 50 FT AHEAD AND CLOSING RAPIDLY. THEY MISSED; BUT NOT BY MUCH. I ONLY HAD TIME TO TURN OUR ACFT TO OUR R AS THEY PASSED UP AND TO OUR L. MY STUDENT WAS SHAKEN; BUT I CONTINUED THE INSTRUCTION; KEEPING THINGS CALM AND ASSURING HIM THAT 'A MISS IS AS GOOD AS A MI.' I CALLED MACON COUNTY'S UNICOM FOR A RADIO CHK A COUPLE OF MINS LATER; AND WAS TOLD BY THE LCL OPERATOR WE WERE 'LOUD AND CLR.' AS MY STUDENT WAS SPEAKING AFTER THE RADIO CONFIRMATION; I HEARD A RADIO CALL FROM THE C182; RPTING HIMSELF S. I DID NOT CATCH ALL OF THE RADIO CALL; SO I DO NOT KNOW IF THE C182 WAS MENTIONING THE NEAR MISS OR NOT. MY STUDENT AND I RETURNED TO THE ARPT AND DID SEVERAL TKOFS AND LNDGS WITHOUT INCIDENT; OR MENTION OF THE EVENT UNTIL AFTER THE FLT. MY EVALUATION OF MY PERFORMANCE IS THAT I COULD HAVE BEEN MORE ALERT; DONE MANEUVERS IN ANOTHER AREA; OR DIRECTLY ASKED THE C182'S PLT HIS LOCATION. I BELIEVE I ACTED PROPERLY IN MAKING SEVERAL RADIO CALLS WITH POS AND ALT; AND CONTINUING THE LESSON TO REDUCE THE IMMEDIATE ALARM OF MY STUDENT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.