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Attributes | |
ACN | 707072 |
Time | |
Date | 200608 |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : oxi.vor |
State Reference | IN |
Altitude | msl single value : 11600 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : c90.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | EMB ERJ 145 ER&LR |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | arrival star : oxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : c90.tracon |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Beechcraft Twin Turboprop Jet Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 220 flight time total : 8700 flight time type : 6800 |
ASRS Report | 707072 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac non adherence : required legal separation |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas other controllerb other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory flight crew : took precautionary avoidance action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 300 vertical : 200 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance Airspace Structure |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Narrative:
During descent on the OKK1 arrival to ord; the center controller advised us of traffic 5 mi ahead at 11500 ft. We were at approximately 12000 ft in a descent to 11000 ft when this call was made. A few seconds late we got a TA that immediately escalated to an RA (descend). We responded and at the conclusion of the RA our altitude was 10600 ft. We advised the controller and returned to altitude when clear of conflict. I believe the biggest factor in this incident was the VFR (I believe) aircraft choosing to cruise at an arrival gate for ord at the required gate entry altitude per TRACON. While I relish the ability to fly VFR; these areas need to be published as high density traffic areas; and possible collision areas as well as altitudes.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: EMB145 FLT CREW HAS A TCAS RA DURING DSCNT ON THE OXI.OXI3 TO ORD.
Narrative: DURING DSCNT ON THE OKK1 ARR TO ORD; THE CTR CTLR ADVISED US OF TFC 5 MI AHEAD AT 11500 FT. WE WERE AT APPROX 12000 FT IN A DSCNT TO 11000 FT WHEN THIS CALL WAS MADE. A FEW SECONDS LATE WE GOT A TA THAT IMMEDIATELY ESCALATED TO AN RA (DSND). WE RESPONDED AND AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE RA OUR ALT WAS 10600 FT. WE ADVISED THE CTLR AND RETURNED TO ALT WHEN CLR OF CONFLICT. I BELIEVE THE BIGGEST FACTOR IN THIS INCIDENT WAS THE VFR (I BELIEVE) ACFT CHOOSING TO CRUISE AT AN ARR GATE FOR ORD AT THE REQUIRED GATE ENTRY ALT PER TRACON. WHILE I RELISH THE ABILITY TO FLY VFR; THESE AREAS NEED TO BE PUBLISHED AS HIGH DENSITY TFC AREAS; AND POSSIBLE COLLISION AREAS AS WELL AS ALTS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.