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Attributes | |
ACN | 713624 |
Time | |
Date | 200610 |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : dfw.airport |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | msl single value : 1000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : dfw.tower tower : dfw.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-800 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : dfw.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff climbout : initial |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
ASRS Report | 713624 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 2500 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Weather |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
On final to runway 17L at dfw inside the FAF we heard a flight cleared for takeoff on runway 13L. We were IMC at this time. We broke out at about 1000 ft and the first officer started looking for this flight. It took awhile because he expected the flight to be in the air or near there. It was in fact just beginning his roll. He called it in sight and said it was going to be close. I looked for the plane and had the same problem; expecting it to be farther along. We continued and the aircraft lifted off and climbed out right through our flight path (the aircraft actually went through the flight path vector on the HUD). We were approximately 1/2 mi from it at this point. It cleared and we continued and landed normal. I'm not sure if this meets the criteria for a near miss. At the least it would have been very disconcerting to have been at the closest point and just popping out to the clouds and have a plane 'boresighted' in the HUD. The first officer's situational awareness was superb and helped me immensely with this situation. As I said I don't think there was much risk of collision since our courses were so divergent; but it was still a little uncomfortable.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A B737-800 ON APCH TO DFW EXPERIENCED A CONFLICT WITH A DEP FROM A XING RWY.
Narrative: ON FINAL TO RWY 17L AT DFW INSIDE THE FAF WE HEARD A FLT CLRED FOR TKOF ON RWY 13L. WE WERE IMC AT THIS TIME. WE BROKE OUT AT ABOUT 1000 FT AND THE FO STARTED LOOKING FOR THIS FLT. IT TOOK AWHILE BECAUSE HE EXPECTED THE FLT TO BE IN THE AIR OR NEAR THERE. IT WAS IN FACT JUST BEGINNING HIS ROLL. HE CALLED IT IN SIGHT AND SAID IT WAS GOING TO BE CLOSE. I LOOKED FOR THE PLANE AND HAD THE SAME PROB; EXPECTING IT TO BE FARTHER ALONG. WE CONTINUED AND THE ACFT LIFTED OFF AND CLBED OUT RIGHT THROUGH OUR FLT PATH (THE ACFT ACTUALLY WENT THROUGH THE FLT PATH VECTOR ON THE HUD). WE WERE APPROX 1/2 MI FROM IT AT THIS POINT. IT CLRED AND WE CONTINUED AND LANDED NORMAL. I'M NOT SURE IF THIS MEETS THE CRITERIA FOR A NEAR MISS. AT THE LEAST IT WOULD HAVE BEEN VERY DISCONCERTING TO HAVE BEEN AT THE CLOSEST POINT AND JUST POPPING OUT TO THE CLOUDS AND HAVE A PLANE 'BORESIGHTED' IN THE HUD. THE FO'S SITUATIONAL AWARENESS WAS SUPERB AND HELPED ME IMMENSELY WITH THIS SITUATION. AS I SAID I DON'T THINK THERE WAS MUCH RISK OF COLLISION SINCE OUR COURSES WERE SO DIVERGENT; BUT IT WAS STILL A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.