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Attributes | |
ACN | 717165 |
Time | |
Date | 200611 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : ags.tracon |
State Reference | GA |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : radar controller : approach |
Qualification | controller : military controller : radar |
Experience | controller military : 6 controller radar : 20 |
ASRS Report | 717165 |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | FAA |
Primary Problem | FAA |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : ags.tracon |
Narrative:
There are numerous problems associated with the bulldog MOA's and restr airspace R3004. First ft gordon range control runs R3004. They are supposed to activate the NOTAM 30 mins in advance. Numerous times they have failed to call and most controllers do not assume R3004 is active. Most times ft gordon activates R3004 late; but a few times R3004 was already active. Safety should not be left to assumptions! Also; when R3004 goes active adjacent facilities are not notified that R3004 is active; and often get irritated when ags cannot approve a particular non radar routing. Ags management is not helpful in rectifying this situation. Also; most controllers do not notify the ARTCC when R3004 alpha is active and when the bulldog MOA's go inactive the VFR military jets depart and are in the middle of an active restr airspace. When the bulldog MOA's are active and R3004 is also active; most controllers approve non radar on some military C130's going into R3004 (they are participating in R3004); but some of the C130's track into the active MOA (the C130's are not participating in the MOA). Separation is not assured because the ARTCC (who controls the MOA) are unaware of the IFR traffic situation in and around the MOA. Most controllers falsely assume and or consider the C130's participating in both areas. Again management will not clarify; nor properly train on this. Also; ZTL has called ags facility numerous times and complained that the ags controllers will not work the VFR aircraft into the MOA when it is active. The ARTCC may be able to work a VFR in their MOA; but many yrs of experience tell the ags controllers 'we' cannot. Most controllers are afraid to approach management on this subject because it will cause a 'qar' investigation and management refuses to tell the ARTCC that terminal controllers cannot work VFR aircraft in a MOA; and they are terminated before they reach the boundary or vectored around the MOA.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AGS CTLR EXPRESSED CONCERN REGARDING ROUTINGS; NOTAM AND NOTIFICATION PROCS UTILIZED WITH R-3004.
Narrative: THERE ARE NUMEROUS PROBS ASSOCIATED WITH THE BULLDOG MOA'S AND RESTR AIRSPACE R3004. FIRST FT GORDON RANGE CTL RUNS R3004. THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO ACTIVATE THE NOTAM 30 MINS IN ADVANCE. NUMEROUS TIMES THEY HAVE FAILED TO CALL AND MOST CTLRS DO NOT ASSUME R3004 IS ACTIVE. MOST TIMES FT GORDON ACTIVATES R3004 LATE; BUT A FEW TIMES R3004 WAS ALREADY ACTIVE. SAFETY SHOULD NOT BE LEFT TO ASSUMPTIONS! ALSO; WHEN R3004 GOES ACTIVE ADJACENT FACILITIES ARE NOT NOTIFIED THAT R3004 IS ACTIVE; AND OFTEN GET IRRITATED WHEN AGS CANNOT APPROVE A PARTICULAR NON RADAR ROUTING. AGS MGMNT IS NOT HELPFUL IN RECTIFYING THIS SITUATION. ALSO; MOST CTLRS DO NOT NOTIFY THE ARTCC WHEN R3004 ALPHA IS ACTIVE AND WHEN THE BULLDOG MOA'S GO INACTIVE THE VFR MIL JETS DEPART AND ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF AN ACTIVE RESTR AIRSPACE. WHEN THE BULLDOG MOA'S ARE ACTIVE AND R3004 IS ALSO ACTIVE; MOST CTLRS APPROVE NON RADAR ON SOME MIL C130'S GOING INTO R3004 (THEY ARE PARTICIPATING IN R3004); BUT SOME OF THE C130'S TRACK INTO THE ACTIVE MOA (THE C130'S ARE NOT PARTICIPATING IN THE MOA). SEPARATION IS NOT ASSURED BECAUSE THE ARTCC (WHO CTLS THE MOA) ARE UNAWARE OF THE IFR TFC SITUATION IN AND AROUND THE MOA. MOST CTLRS FALSELY ASSUME AND OR CONSIDER THE C130'S PARTICIPATING IN BOTH AREAS. AGAIN MGMNT WILL NOT CLARIFY; NOR PROPERLY TRAIN ON THIS. ALSO; ZTL HAS CALLED AGS FACILITY NUMEROUS TIMES AND COMPLAINED THAT THE AGS CTLRS WILL NOT WORK THE VFR ACFT INTO THE MOA WHEN IT IS ACTIVE. THE ARTCC MAY BE ABLE TO WORK A VFR IN THEIR MOA; BUT MANY YRS OF EXPERIENCE TELL THE AGS CTLRS 'WE' CANNOT. MOST CTLRS ARE AFRAID TO APPROACH MGMNT ON THIS SUBJECT BECAUSE IT WILL CAUSE A 'QAR' INVESTIGATION AND MGMNT REFUSES TO TELL THE ARTCC THAT TERMINAL CTLRS CANNOT WORK VFR ACFT IN A MOA; AND THEY ARE TERMINATED BEFORE THEY REACH THE BOUNDARY OR VECTORED AROUND THE MOA.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.