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Attributes | |
ACN | 728222 |
Time | |
Date | 200702 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : pxr.vortac |
State Reference | AZ |
Altitude | msl single value : 5000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Make Model Name | PA-28 Cherokee/Archer II/Dakota/Pillan/Warrior |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | cruise other ground : maintenance |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Make Model Name | PA-28 Cherokee/Archer II/Dakota/Pillan/Warrior |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | instruction : instructor |
Qualification | flight attendant : currently qualified pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : atp pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 1070 flight time type : 850 |
ASRS Report | 728222 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | instruction : trainee |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : landed as precaution other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Airspace Structure |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
When entering into unusual flight attitudes for a beginning instrument student we transmitted our position; altitude and intentions over the common practice area frequency and heard a piper arrow state that they were over the same reference at roughly the same altitude. At this time I told my student who was wearing a view limiting device to help me look for the other traffic. After searching for and confirming the position of the other airplane we decided to depart to the west to avoid the area. As soon as we rolled wings level; I saw the traffic below us by about 300-500 ft and less than 1/2 SM horizontal. I immediately rolled away from the traffic and observed them enter into what I thought was an evasive turn of their own; however; it appeared they had entered into a steep turn. I asked the pilot of the other airplane if she was looking for us and she replied 'no we has you in sight;' however; in my opinion that is not a proper response. After receiving that answer; my student and I both decided to return to the airport. Supplemental information from acn 728223: after completing clearing turns in preparation for a series of instrument steep turns we observed a piper arrow flying from our left to right about 300 ft above us and less than 1 mi horizontal. We could clearly see the tail markings and that the airplane was a piper arrow. We were making all necessary practice area position reports and had heard nothing from the other airplane either before or after our near miss.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: TWO FLIGHT INSTRUCTORS TRY TO USE THE SAME AIRSPACE FOR PRACTICE MANEUVERS. AFTER PASSING WITHIN A HALF A MILE OF EACH OTHER ONE INSTRUCTOR DECIDES TO LEAVE THE AREA.
Narrative: WHEN ENTERING INTO UNUSUAL FLT ATTITUDES FOR A BEGINNING INST STUDENT WE XMITTED OUR POS; ALT AND INTENTIONS OVER THE COMMON PRACTICE AREA FREQ AND HEARD A PIPER ARROW STATE THAT THEY WERE OVER THE SAME REF AT ROUGHLY THE SAME ALT. AT THIS TIME I TOLD MY STUDENT WHO WAS WEARING A VIEW LIMITING DEVICE TO HELP ME LOOK FOR THE OTHER TFC. AFTER SEARCHING FOR AND CONFIRMING THE POS OF THE OTHER AIRPLANE WE DECIDED TO DEPART TO THE W TO AVOID THE AREA. AS SOON AS WE ROLLED WINGS LEVEL; I SAW THE TFC BELOW US BY ABOUT 300-500 FT AND LESS THAN 1/2 SM HORIZ. I IMMEDIATELY ROLLED AWAY FROM THE TFC AND OBSERVED THEM ENTER INTO WHAT I THOUGHT WAS AN EVASIVE TURN OF THEIR OWN; HOWEVER; IT APPEARED THEY HAD ENTERED INTO A STEEP TURN. I ASKED THE PLT OF THE OTHER AIRPLANE IF SHE WAS LOOKING FOR US AND SHE REPLIED 'NO WE HAS YOU IN SIGHT;' HOWEVER; IN MY OPINION THAT IS NOT A PROPER RESPONSE. AFTER RECEIVING THAT ANSWER; MY STUDENT AND I BOTH DECIDED TO RETURN TO THE ARPT. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 728223: AFTER COMPLETING CLRING TURNS IN PREPARATION FOR A SERIES OF INST STEEP TURNS WE OBSERVED A PIPER ARROW FLYING FROM OUR L TO R ABOUT 300 FT ABOVE US AND LESS THAN 1 MI HORIZ. WE COULD CLRLY SEE THE TAIL MARKINGS AND THAT THE AIRPLANE WAS A PIPER ARROW. WE WERE MAKING ALL NECESSARY PRACTICE AREA POS RPTS AND HAD HEARD NOTHING FROM THE OTHER AIRPLANE EITHER BEFORE OR AFTER OUR NEAR MISS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.