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Attributes | |
ACN | 729099 |
Time | |
Date | 200702 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : teb.airport |
State Reference | NJ |
Altitude | msl single value : 2000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Weather Elements | Snow Ice |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90.tracon |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Challenger CL603/603a |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | ils localizer & glide slope : ils rwy 06 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach ground : preflight |
Route In Use | approach : instrument precision arrival : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 4000 flight time type : 500 |
ASRS Report | 729099 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
We were being vectored by ny approach to the ILS runway 6 at teb. Controller asked us to 'maintain 2000 ft; intercept localizer.' we were cleared for the approach and handed off to tower approximately 1 mi outside of dandy intersection. This was too late to comply with a mandatory crossing of dandy at 1500 ft. Tower questioned us about missing the restr and scolded us. While monitoring approach control; all preceding aircraft were told to cross dandy at 1500 ft and then cleared for the ILS runway 6. We were told to maintain 2000 ft. Due to extremely congested frequency; we were not able to question approach about this conflict in instructions. This situation could easily be resolved by having approach control descend all aircraft to 1500 ft before clearing them for approach and handing them off to the tower frequency. As a side note; I called teb tower on a land line and spoke with the controller in charge. I explained the situation and his advice was to question the approach controller about the conflicting altitudes. He says the 1500 ft crossing at dandy is mandatory 'no matter what.'
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CL60 PLT DESCRIBED INCIDENT ON APCH TO TEB WHEN N90 CTLR ISSUED CLRNC THAT PREVENTED COMPLIANCE WITH DANDY XING ALT ON THE ILS RWY 6.
Narrative: WE WERE BEING VECTORED BY NY APCH TO THE ILS RWY 6 AT TEB. CTLR ASKED US TO 'MAINTAIN 2000 FT; INTERCEPT LOC.' WE WERE CLRED FOR THE APCH AND HANDED OFF TO TWR APPROX 1 MI OUTSIDE OF DANDY INTXN. THIS WAS TOO LATE TO COMPLY WITH A MANDATORY XING OF DANDY AT 1500 FT. TWR QUESTIONED US ABOUT MISSING THE RESTR AND SCOLDED US. WHILE MONITORING APCH CTL; ALL PRECEDING ACFT WERE TOLD TO CROSS DANDY AT 1500 FT AND THEN CLRED FOR THE ILS RWY 6. WE WERE TOLD TO MAINTAIN 2000 FT. DUE TO EXTREMELY CONGESTED FREQ; WE WERE NOT ABLE TO QUESTION APCH ABOUT THIS CONFLICT IN INSTRUCTIONS. THIS SITUATION COULD EASILY BE RESOLVED BY HAVING APCH CTL DSND ALL ACFT TO 1500 FT BEFORE CLRING THEM FOR APCH AND HANDING THEM OFF TO THE TWR FREQ. AS A SIDE NOTE; I CALLED TEB TWR ON A LAND LINE AND SPOKE WITH THE CTLR IN CHARGE. I EXPLAINED THE SITUATION AND HIS ADVICE WAS TO QUESTION THE APCH CTLR ABOUT THE CONFLICTING ALTS. HE SAYS THE 1500 FT XING AT DANDY IS MANDATORY 'NO MATTER WHAT.'
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.