B737-400 captain and clt approach controller debate speed restriction over booze waypoint on the hus...

Attributes
ACN	743106
Time
Date	200706
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	airport : clt.airport
State Reference	NC
Altitude	msl single value : 11000
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : clt.tracon
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	B737-400
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Flight Phase	descent : approach
Route In Use	arrival star : hustn
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
ASRS Report	743106
Person 2
Affiliation	government : faa
Function	controller : approach
Events
Anomaly	non adherence : published procedure
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	controller : issued new clearance
Consequence	faa : reviewed incident with flight crew
Supplementary
Problem Areas	ATC Human Performance Chart Or Publication Flight Crew Human Performance
Primary Problem	ATC Human Performance

Narrative:

This is a new arrival for clt. Clt commercial chart effective mar/xa/07. We have only recently been filed via this arrival. Approach is obviously mistaken about speed restrs on the publication arrival. We were flying the published hustn one RNAV arrival to clt. We were told by center to cross booze at 11000 ft. We were not given a speed restr. When we checked on with clt approach control we asked them what speed they would like. Note: hustn approach states to 'expect' to cross booze at 250 KTS. Approach told us to fly the speed assigned by center or comply with the RNAV arrival speed. We told approach we were not given a speed restr by center and that the RNAV arrival had an expect only speed restr at booze. Approach stated that the RNAV arrival had a required speed. It does not! We asked them again what speed they would like. They finally told us to slow to 210 KTS.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: B737-400 CAPTAIN AND CLT APCH CTLR DEBATE SPEED RESTRICTION OVER BOOZE WAYPOINT ON THE HUSTN RNAV STAR.

Narrative: THIS IS A NEW ARR FOR CLT. CLT COMMERCIAL CHART EFFECTIVE MAR/XA/07. WE HAVE ONLY RECENTLY BEEN FILED VIA THIS ARR. APCH IS OBVIOUSLY MISTAKEN ABOUT SPD RESTRS ON THE PUB ARR. WE WERE FLYING THE PUBLISHED HUSTN ONE RNAV ARR TO CLT. WE WERE TOLD BY CTR TO CROSS BOOZE AT 11000 FT. WE WERE NOT GIVEN A SPD RESTR. WHEN WE CHKED ON WITH CLT APCH CTL WE ASKED THEM WHAT SPD THEY WOULD LIKE. NOTE: HUSTN APCH STATES TO 'EXPECT' TO CROSS BOOZE AT 250 KTS. APCH TOLD US TO FLY THE SPD ASSIGNED BY CTR OR COMPLY WITH THE RNAV ARR SPD. WE TOLD APCH WE WERE NOT GIVEN A SPD RESTR BY CTR AND THAT THE RNAV ARR HAD AN EXPECT ONLY SPD RESTR AT BOOZE. APCH STATED THAT THE RNAV ARR HAD A REQUIRED SPD. IT DOES NOT! WE ASKED THEM AGAIN WHAT SPD THEY WOULD LIKE. THEY FINALLY TOLD US TO SLOW TO 210 KTS.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

B737-400 captain and clt approach controller debate speed restriction over booze waypoint on the hustn RNAV STAR.