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Attributes | |
ACN | 759402 |
Time | |
Date | 200710 |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : den.airport |
State Reference | CO |
Altitude | msl single value : 11000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : d01.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-300 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | arrival star : dandd |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 12400 flight time type : 3000 |
ASRS Report | 759402 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 5500 flight time type : 1200 |
ASRS Report | 759284 |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
While en route to den we were advised via ACARS of den being a 2 runway operation due to 'staffing issues' in den. We were told that we might be slowed and/or held going into den. Luckily; I had uploaded some extra fuel. We continued and were slowed to 240 KTS approximately 150 NM out. We continued in and were progressively descended on the dandd arrival. Around dandd we were vectored west and descended to 13000 ft MSL. We were told to expect runway 35R. We set up and briefed an approach to runway 35R. It was night and we were IMC. 2 controllers later; as we were being vectored to final; when we were approximately 7 mi from the FAF we were given our approach clearance. The controller gave a standard type clearance that included a heading; minimum altitude until established and then 'cleared for ILS runway 35L.' as we usually are during that phase of flight; our cockpit was busy with aircraft confign and checklists -- the frequency was busy also with numerous arriving aircraft. Triple simultaneous ILS approachs were being conducted. I read back the clearance and hesitated at the '35L' part. I asked my copilot if we were on the left or the right. She replied on the right. I asked the controller what runway we were cleared for; he responded that we were cleared for the ILS runway 35L. At that time I said we were not set up for the left and he climbed us and vectored us in a box pattern to set us up for the ILS runway 35L. We scrambled to get set up and brief the new approach. We were vectored and flew the ILS runway 35L with an uneventful landing. If I had just said 'cleared for the approach;' and continued for runway 35R; or if my readback had been stepped on; would there have been a 'conflict?' what if I had accepted an aircraft with an inoperative TCAS? Or some other aircraft had inoperative TCAS. How would having 2 or 3 aircraft responding to RA's have impacted that operation? At night and IMC. I know myself and my first officer were both fatigued and I have to wonder if TRACON was fatigued also. What was the staffing issue?
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B737-300 ARRIVING DEN IS GIVEN VECTORS TO INTERCEPT ILS 35L WHEN THEY WERE TOLD TO EXPECT AND WERE SET UP FOR THE ILS 35R. ACFT WAS THEN VECTORED FOR ANOTHER APCH TO 35L.
Narrative: WHILE ENRTE TO DEN WE WERE ADVISED VIA ACARS OF DEN BEING A 2 RWY OP DUE TO 'STAFFING ISSUES' IN DEN. WE WERE TOLD THAT WE MIGHT BE SLOWED AND/OR HELD GOING INTO DEN. LUCKILY; I HAD UPLOADED SOME EXTRA FUEL. WE CONTINUED AND WERE SLOWED TO 240 KTS APPROX 150 NM OUT. WE CONTINUED IN AND WERE PROGRESSIVELY DSNDED ON THE DANDD ARR. AROUND DANDD WE WERE VECTORED W AND DSNDED TO 13000 FT MSL. WE WERE TOLD TO EXPECT RWY 35R. WE SET UP AND BRIEFED AN APCH TO RWY 35R. IT WAS NIGHT AND WE WERE IMC. 2 CTLRS LATER; AS WE WERE BEING VECTORED TO FINAL; WHEN WE WERE APPROX 7 MI FROM THE FAF WE WERE GIVEN OUR APCH CLRNC. THE CTLR GAVE A STANDARD TYPE CLRNC THAT INCLUDED A HDG; MINIMUM ALT UNTIL ESTABLISHED AND THEN 'CLRED FOR ILS RWY 35L.' AS WE USUALLY ARE DURING THAT PHASE OF FLT; OUR COCKPIT WAS BUSY WITH ACFT CONFIGN AND CHKLISTS -- THE FREQ WAS BUSY ALSO WITH NUMEROUS ARRIVING ACFT. TRIPLE SIMULTANEOUS ILS APCHS WERE BEING CONDUCTED. I READ BACK THE CLRNC AND HESITATED AT THE '35L' PART. I ASKED MY COPLT IF WE WERE ON THE L OR THE R. SHE REPLIED ON THE R. I ASKED THE CTLR WHAT RWY WE WERE CLRED FOR; HE RESPONDED THAT WE WERE CLRED FOR THE ILS RWY 35L. AT THAT TIME I SAID WE WERE NOT SET UP FOR THE L AND HE CLBED US AND VECTORED US IN A BOX PATTERN TO SET US UP FOR THE ILS RWY 35L. WE SCRAMBLED TO GET SET UP AND BRIEF THE NEW APCH. WE WERE VECTORED AND FLEW THE ILS RWY 35L WITH AN UNEVENTFUL LNDG. IF I HAD JUST SAID 'CLRED FOR THE APCH;' AND CONTINUED FOR RWY 35R; OR IF MY READBACK HAD BEEN STEPPED ON; WOULD THERE HAVE BEEN A 'CONFLICT?' WHAT IF I HAD ACCEPTED AN ACFT WITH AN INOP TCAS? OR SOME OTHER ACFT HAD INOP TCAS. HOW WOULD HAVING 2 OR 3 ACFT RESPONDING TO RA'S HAVE IMPACTED THAT OP? AT NIGHT AND IMC. I KNOW MYSELF AND MY FO WERE BOTH FATIGUED AND I HAVE TO WONDER IF TRACON WAS FATIGUED ALSO. WHAT WAS THE STAFFING ISSUE?
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.