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Attributes | |
ACN | 764624 |
Time | |
Date | 200712 |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : zzz.airport |
State Reference | US |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air taxi |
Make Model Name | Gulfstream V |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
Flight Phase | ground : takeoff roll |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air taxi |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 92 flight time total : 15200 flight time type : 800 |
ASRS Report | 764624 |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : tkof warning horn |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : rejected takeoff |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Aircraft |
Primary Problem | Aircraft |
Narrative:
The gv has a known history of horizontal trim 'creep.' the trim may drift due to electrical noise. The trim setting will also change slightly when the elevator is moved. My trim setting was 8.0 which is on the very limit of allowable settings for takeoff. During the initial takeoff roll; the trim changed from 8.0 to 7.5 which caused the 'aircraft confign' red cas message. This caused us to abort the takeoff at 75-80 KTS. Gulfstream needs to fix this. This has been a known problem for some time. Pilots should be cautioned never to set the elevator trim within 1/2 (or 1) unit of the takeoff limits due to this tri 'creep' to avoid unnecessary aborts. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter advised the trim creep phenomenon is known to the manufacturer and is the subject of pilot advisories through their website. He further noted the readout by which the trim is set is digital in nature and only displays trim settings in half unit increments; suggesting that a readout of 8.0 might be only fractionally removed from the 8.5 readout that would trigger the warning. He suggested that; potentially; manufacturing tolerances in the system could combine to push the setting to the warning level as forces on the airframe are altered by the airport surface and/or the environment -- a form of hysteresis.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: GLF5 REJECTS TKOF DUE TO CONFIGURATION WARNING CAUSED BY STAB TRIM OUT OF LIMITS.
Narrative: THE GV HAS A KNOWN HISTORY OF HORIZ TRIM 'CREEP.' THE TRIM MAY DRIFT DUE TO ELECTRICAL NOISE. THE TRIM SETTING WILL ALSO CHANGE SLIGHTLY WHEN THE ELEVATOR IS MOVED. MY TRIM SETTING WAS 8.0 WHICH IS ON THE VERY LIMIT OF ALLOWABLE SETTINGS FOR TKOF. DURING THE INITIAL TKOF ROLL; THE TRIM CHANGED FROM 8.0 TO 7.5 WHICH CAUSED THE 'ACFT CONFIGN' RED CAS MESSAGE. THIS CAUSED US TO ABORT THE TKOF AT 75-80 KTS. GULFSTREAM NEEDS TO FIX THIS. THIS HAS BEEN A KNOWN PROB FOR SOME TIME. PLTS SHOULD BE CAUTIONED NEVER TO SET THE ELEVATOR TRIM WITHIN 1/2 (OR 1) UNIT OF THE TKOF LIMITS DUE TO THIS TRI 'CREEP' TO AVOID UNNECESSARY ABORTS. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: REPORTER ADVISED THE TRIM CREEP PHENOMENON IS KNOWN TO THE MANUFACTURER AND IS THE SUBJECT OF PLT ADVISORIES THROUGH THEIR WEBSITE. HE FURTHER NOTED THE READOUT BY WHICH THE TRIM IS SET IS DIGITAL IN NATURE AND ONLY DISPLAYS TRIM SETTINGS IN HALF UNIT INCREMENTS; SUGGESTING THAT A READOUT OF 8.0 MIGHT BE ONLY FRACTIONALLY REMOVED FROM THE 8.5 READOUT THAT WOULD TRIGGER THE WARNING. HE SUGGESTED THAT; POTENTIALLY; MANUFACTURING TOLERANCES IN THE SYSTEM COULD COMBINE TO PUSH THE SETTING TO THE WARNING LEVEL AS FORCES ON THE AIRFRAME ARE ALTERED BY THE ARPT SURFACE AND/OR THE ENVIRONMENT -- A FORM OF HYSTERESIS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.