 |
37000 Feet | Browse and search NASA's Aviation Safety Reporting System |
|
B737 first officer questions the need for superfluous information included in lengthy ord ATIS printout.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 769043 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200801 |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : ord.airport |
| State Reference | IL |
| Altitude | msl single value : 20000 |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zau.artcc |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B737-300 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | cruise : level |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 90 flight time total : 4700 flight time type : 2700 |
| ASRS Report | 769043 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
In cruise; we requested the ord ATIS via ACARS. Ord tower includes many items on the ATIS that never change. This makes the ATIS printout very lengthy. Generally; we scan to check that it's all the same stuff. Ord was landing on runway 14R and visibility was below CAT 1 minimums. We programmed the FMC and prepared for a CAT 2 approach for runway 14R. After checking the NOTAMS again; we found the NOTAM that runway 14R CAT 2/3 is not available. Upon closer scrutiny; the ATIS also included a short note that the CAT 2/3 approachs were not available; but it was buried down about 3/4 of the way to the bottom of the ATIS. We probably would have missed it if we weren't looking for it. I was furloughed for over 4 yrs. When I returned; the ATIS still says; 'pilots use caution for bird activity...' this and other messages; like men and equipment working on the airport; should not be on the ATIS. Please encourage ord tower to take that out of ATIS so that someone doesn't overlook an important piece of information because it looks like the same 5 inches of paper that always prints out for ord ATIS.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B737 FO QUESTIONS THE NEED FOR SUPERFLUOUS INFORMATION INCLUDED IN LENGTHY ORD ATIS PRINTOUT.
Narrative: IN CRUISE; WE REQUESTED THE ORD ATIS VIA ACARS. ORD TWR INCLUDES MANY ITEMS ON THE ATIS THAT NEVER CHANGE. THIS MAKES THE ATIS PRINTOUT VERY LENGTHY. GENERALLY; WE SCAN TO CHK THAT IT'S ALL THE SAME STUFF. ORD WAS LNDG ON RWY 14R AND VISIBILITY WAS BELOW CAT 1 MINIMUMS. WE PROGRAMMED THE FMC AND PREPARED FOR A CAT 2 APCH FOR RWY 14R. AFTER CHKING THE NOTAMS AGAIN; WE FOUND THE NOTAM THAT RWY 14R CAT 2/3 IS NOT AVAILABLE. UPON CLOSER SCRUTINY; THE ATIS ALSO INCLUDED A SHORT NOTE THAT THE CAT 2/3 APCHS WERE NOT AVAILABLE; BUT IT WAS BURIED DOWN ABOUT 3/4 OF THE WAY TO THE BOTTOM OF THE ATIS. WE PROBABLY WOULD HAVE MISSED IT IF WE WEREN'T LOOKING FOR IT. I WAS FURLOUGHED FOR OVER 4 YRS. WHEN I RETURNED; THE ATIS STILL SAYS; 'PLTS USE CAUTION FOR BIRD ACTIVITY...' THIS AND OTHER MESSAGES; LIKE MEN AND EQUIP WORKING ON THE ARPT; SHOULD NOT BE ON THE ATIS. PLEASE ENCOURAGE ORD TWR TO TAKE THAT OUT OF ATIS SO THAT SOMEONE DOESN'T OVERLOOK AN IMPORTANT PIECE OF INFO BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE THE SAME 5 INCHES OF PAPER THAT ALWAYS PRINTS OUT FOR ORD ATIS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of May 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.