Cfii and student aboard C172 run off the end of the runway following and unstabilized approach out o...

Attributes
ACN	789173
Time
Date	200806
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : zzz.airport
State Reference	US
Altitude	agl single value : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	IMC
Weather Elements	Rain
Aircraft 1
Operator	general aviation : instructional
Make Model Name	Skyhawk 172/Cutlass 172
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Flight Phase	landing : roll ground : maintenance
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	other
Function	instruction : instructor
Qualification	pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : cfi pilot : commercial
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 560 flight time type : 400
ASRS Report	789173
Person 2
Affiliation	other
Function	instruction : trainee
Qualification	pilot : private
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 6 flight time total : 111 flight time type : 107
ASRS Report	789517
Events
Anomaly	excursion : runway ground encounters other other anomaly other anomaly
Independent Detector	other flight crewa other flight crewb
Resolutory Action	none taken : unable
Consequence	other
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Flight Crew Human Performance Airport Weather
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance

Narrative:

On an IFR training flight; our C172R went off the end of the runway. We were conducting the lda approach into ZZZ; we broke out of the clouds about 10 seconds prior to reaching the MDA. We came in high on the approach and landed long midfield. The aircraft was well above its landing speed when we came down the runway. Conditions being wet did not allow us to use maximum braking. We rolled onto the grass at the runway end at 5 KTS or less and came to a stop no more than 5 ft past the end of the runway. We turned around and taxied back onto the runway and got off on taxiway. The grass at the end of the runway was at the same level as the runway itself; so there was not even a bump as we came to a stop. We were on centerline so there were no lights in the path as we crossed over. There was no damage to our aircraft or to the runway and airport property. The main reason I believe this occurred was a bad judgement call made at the time when we saw the airport. Although we had the airport in sight; we were not configured properly to make the landing; speed and altitude were high. We should have conducted a missed from that point. That bad decision to continue was the primary cause in my mind. Supplemental information from acn 789517: as we switched over to tower; instructor mentioned that approach had dumped us onto the approach a little fast; but that we could easily make corrections. I thought that we were a little high and mentioned to him that we should maybe do a missed approach. Instructor stated that we could still make the landing and advised me to put the aircraft in a sideslip all the way to the point to where we began our flare; which ended up putting us 1/2 way down the runway. I received a phone call from flight school manager asking if we could meet. I said sure; and went down to the flight center to see him. In his office; I gave him my statement of what happened.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: CFII AND STUDENT ABOARD C172 RUN OFF THE END OF THE RWY FOLLOWING AND UNSTABILIZED APCH OUT OF A NON PRECISION APCH.

Narrative: ON AN IFR TRAINING FLT; OUR C172R WENT OFF THE END OF THE RWY. WE WERE CONDUCTING THE LDA APCH INTO ZZZ; WE BROKE OUT OF THE CLOUDS ABOUT 10 SECONDS PRIOR TO REACHING THE MDA. WE CAME IN HIGH ON THE APCH AND LANDED LONG MIDFIELD. THE ACFT WAS WELL ABOVE ITS LNDG SPD WHEN WE CAME DOWN THE RWY. CONDITIONS BEING WET DID NOT ALLOW US TO USE MAX BRAKING. WE ROLLED ONTO THE GRASS AT THE RWY END AT 5 KTS OR LESS AND CAME TO A STOP NO MORE THAN 5 FT PAST THE END OF THE RWY. WE TURNED AROUND AND TAXIED BACK ONTO THE RWY AND GOT OFF ON TXWY. THE GRASS AT THE END OF THE RWY WAS AT THE SAME LEVEL AS THE RWY ITSELF; SO THERE WAS NOT EVEN A BUMP AS WE CAME TO A STOP. WE WERE ON CTRLINE SO THERE WERE NO LIGHTS IN THE PATH AS WE CROSSED OVER. THERE WAS NO DAMAGE TO OUR ACFT OR TO THE RWY AND ARPT PROPERTY. THE MAIN REASON I BELIEVE THIS OCCURRED WAS A BAD JUDGEMENT CALL MADE AT THE TIME WHEN WE SAW THE ARPT. ALTHOUGH WE HAD THE ARPT IN SIGHT; WE WERE NOT CONFIGURED PROPERLY TO MAKE THE LNDG; SPD AND ALT WERE HIGH. WE SHOULD HAVE CONDUCTED A MISSED FROM THAT POINT. THAT BAD DECISION TO CONTINUE WAS THE PRIMARY CAUSE IN MY MIND. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 789517: AS WE SWITCHED OVER TO TWR; INSTRUCTOR MENTIONED THAT APCH HAD DUMPED US ONTO THE APCH A LITTLE FAST; BUT THAT WE COULD EASILY MAKE CORRECTIONS. I THOUGHT THAT WE WERE A LITTLE HIGH AND MENTIONED TO HIM THAT WE SHOULD MAYBE DO A MISSED APCH. INSTRUCTOR STATED THAT WE COULD STILL MAKE THE LNDG AND ADVISED ME TO PUT THE ACFT IN A SIDESLIP ALL THE WAY TO THE POINT TO WHERE WE BEGAN OUR FLARE; WHICH ENDED UP PUTTING US 1/2 WAY DOWN THE RWY. I RECEIVED A PHONE CALL FROM FLT SCHOOL MGR ASKING IF WE COULD MEET. I SAID SURE; AND WENT DOWN TO THE FLT CTR TO SEE HIM. IN HIS OFFICE; I GAVE HIM MY STATEMENT OF WHAT HAPPENED.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of May 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

Cfii and student aboard C172 run off the end of the runway following and unstabilized approach out of a non precision approach.