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Air carrier medium large transport altitude deviation crossing restriction not met. Power was at idle and speed brakes activated and ARTCC advised.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 80108 |
| Time | |
| Date | 198801 |
| Day | Mon |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : aco |
| State Reference | OH |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 10000 msl bound upper : 12000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Flight Phase | cruise other descent other |
| Route In Use | enroute airway : zob |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 360 flight time total : 7000 flight time type : 1000 |
| ASRS Report | 80108 |
| Person 2 | |
| Function | controller : radar |
| Qualification | controller : radar |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation Operational Deviation |
Narrative:
We were clrd to cross cutta at 10000' with all power off (at idle) and speed brakes pulled, we were not able to cross cutta. I told cle center that we would not be able to get to 10000' in time to cross cutta as per clearance. They advised us to do the 'best we could'. This was (is) not a proper clearance given to us by ATC. We made it to 10000 36 mi out instead of 29 mi. No conflicts of traffic. Nothing said from cle ATC. My only comment is ATC did not give a proper clearance, nor did they tell us to do anything else when I told them we could not make it.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR MLG ALT DEVIATION CROSSING RESTRICTION NOT MET. PWR WAS AT IDLE AND SPEED BRAKES ACTIVATED AND ARTCC ADVISED.
Narrative: WE WERE CLRD TO CROSS CUTTA AT 10000' WITH ALL PWR OFF (AT IDLE) AND SPEED BRAKES PULLED, WE WERE NOT ABLE TO CROSS CUTTA. I TOLD CLE CENTER THAT WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO GET TO 10000' IN TIME TO CROSS CUTTA AS PER CLRNC. THEY ADVISED US TO DO THE 'BEST WE COULD'. THIS WAS (IS) NOT A PROPER CLRNC GIVEN TO US BY ATC. WE MADE IT TO 10000 36 MI OUT INSTEAD OF 29 MI. NO CONFLICTS OF TFC. NOTHING SAID FROM CLE ATC. MY ONLY COMMENT IS ATC DID NOT GIVE A PROPER CLRNC, NOR DID THEY TELL US TO DO ANYTHING ELSE WHEN I TOLD THEM WE COULD NOT MAKE IT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.