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Attributes | |
ACN | 80325 |
Time | |
Date | 198801 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : den |
State Reference | CO |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 31000 msl bound upper : 35000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zdv |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors enroute airway : zdv |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 12000 flight time type : 5000 |
ASRS Report | 80325 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 225 flight time total : 4000 flight time type : 225 |
ASRS Report | 80645 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude conflict : airborne less severe inflight encounter : weather non adherence : required legal separation non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : unspecified other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 24000 vertical : 1000 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
In moderate turbulence a requested des to FL310. Clearance denied due to air carrier Y 1.5 mi to left at FL310. Other aircraft was visually in sight. First officer was off radio using P/a to alert F/a's to be seated. I requested immediate vector and des to FL310 or FL280. Received turn of 35 degrees to right away from air carrier Y and des. I mentally accepted clearance to FL310 and believe I read back same. At approximately FL320 den ARTCC said we busted altitude. Air carrier Y was in sight, 5-6 NM diverging. The possibility exists that I erred in clearance. The safety situation is twofold. 1) I was alone in communication loop with first officer necessarily on P/a. Aircraft was very difficult to maintain radial and in moderate turbulence. Autoplt was in turbulence mode. 2) flight plan was oma to slc via lnk-hct-gil-che-ffu-slo. Den ARTCC changed it en route to dir den-J116-ffu-slc, resulting in flow concentration over den that prevented altitude flexibility on a day of exceptional turbulence. Original routing was more logical but ATC likes everyone to line up for flow control concentrating aircraft aloft. Supplemental information from acn 80645: we had turned 35 degrees to the right and were descending through FL320. Den called to ask to what altitude we were descending and I responded, after checking with captain, FL310. Den said our limit was FL330 and to immediately climb to FL330 with a further turn to right.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: LESS THAN STANDARD SEPARATION BETWEEN 2 ACR AFTER ACR X DESCENDED BELOW ASSIGNED ALT.
Narrative: IN MODERATE TURBULENCE A REQUESTED DES TO FL310. CLRNC DENIED DUE TO ACR Y 1.5 MI TO LEFT AT FL310. OTHER ACFT WAS VISUALLY IN SIGHT. F/O WAS OFF RADIO USING P/A TO ALERT F/A'S TO BE SEATED. I REQUESTED IMMEDIATE VECTOR AND DES TO FL310 OR FL280. RECEIVED TURN OF 35 DEGS TO RIGHT AWAY FROM ACR Y AND DES. I MENTALLY ACCEPTED CLRNC TO FL310 AND BELIEVE I READ BACK SAME. AT APPROX FL320 DEN ARTCC SAID WE BUSTED ALT. ACR Y WAS IN SIGHT, 5-6 NM DIVERGING. THE POSSIBILITY EXISTS THAT I ERRED IN CLRNC. THE SAFETY SITUATION IS TWOFOLD. 1) I WAS ALONE IN COM LOOP WITH F/O NECESSARILY ON P/A. ACFT WAS VERY DIFFICULT TO MAINTAIN RADIAL AND IN MODERATE TURBULENCE. AUTOPLT WAS IN TURBULENCE MODE. 2) FLT PLAN WAS OMA TO SLC VIA LNK-HCT-GIL-CHE-FFU-SLO. DEN ARTCC CHANGED IT ENRTE TO DIR DEN-J116-FFU-SLC, RESULTING IN FLOW CONCENTRATION OVER DEN THAT PREVENTED ALT FLEXIBILITY ON A DAY OF EXCEPTIONAL TURBULENCE. ORIGINAL ROUTING WAS MORE LOGICAL BUT ATC LIKES EVERYONE TO LINE UP FOR FLOW CTL CONCENTRATING ACFT ALOFT. SUPPLEMENTAL INFORMATION FROM ACN 80645: WE HAD TURNED 35 DEGS TO THE RIGHT AND WERE DSNDING THROUGH FL320. DEN CALLED TO ASK TO WHAT ALT WE WERE DSNDING AND I RESPONDED, AFTER CHKING WITH CAPT, FL310. DEN SAID OUR LIMIT WAS FL330 AND TO IMMEDIATELY CLB TO FL330 WITH A FURTHER TURN TO RIGHT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.