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Attributes | |
ACN | 86167 |
Time | |
Date | 198804 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : cbk |
State Reference | IL |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 10000 msl bound upper : 10000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zah |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | cruise other other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | cruise other other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 230 flight time total : 17000 flight time type : 7000 |
ASRS Report | 86167 |
Person 2 | |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : published procedure non adherence : required legal separation |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 1000 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
Holding for approach clearance to ord at plant intersection in IMC conditions, 10000' altitude. Approaching plant X at XXXX (efc) so was expecting vector to ord. We momentarily went from no visibility to approximately 1/2 mi visibility. Saw a large transport. Just ahead, level, rolling out on our heading and course. Approach control simultaneously instructed us to climb to 11000'. Commenced climb. At 10500' supervision came on frequency and instructed us to return to 10000'. We inquired about aircraft at 10000' ahead, were advised he had descended to 9000'. Return to 10000'. I believe this event caused by a lapse in coordination at ord approach control. We initially called up on 128.45 (not the usual frequency). Normally ord approach uses 125.7 or 119.0. Just prior to the incident we were transferred to 125.7. I believe that the 3 frequency in use at the time was a contributing factor to the incident as we were monitoring all clrncs in the holding pattern to preclude just such an incident. We never heard the other aircraft or his instruction at any time. Just prior to our descent clearance from 11K to 10K there was a garbled transmission that was never clarified. After arrival at ord, a telephone conversation with the approach control supervisor revealed that approach admitted to having cleared both aircraft in the same airspace.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: LGT X HOLDING AT PLANT INTERSECTION CAME IN CLOSE PROX TO LGT Y AT 10000' APPROX 1000'HORIZ DISTANCE.
Narrative: HOLDING FOR APCH CLRNC TO ORD AT PLANT INTERSECTION IN IMC CONDITIONS, 10000' ALT. APCHING PLANT X AT XXXX (EFC) SO WAS EXPECTING VECTOR TO ORD. WE MOMENTARILY WENT FROM NO VISIBILITY TO APPROX 1/2 MI VIS. SAW A LGT. JUST AHEAD, LEVEL, ROLLING OUT ON OUR HEADING AND COURSE. APCH CTL SIMULTANEOUSLY INSTRUCTED US TO CLIMB TO 11000'. COMMENCED CLIMB. AT 10500' SUPERVISION CAME ON FREQ AND INSTRUCTED US TO RETURN TO 10000'. WE INQUIRED ABOUT ACFT AT 10000' AHEAD, WERE ADVISED HE HAD DESCENDED TO 9000'. RETURN TO 10000'. I BELIEVE THIS EVENT CAUSED BY A LAPSE IN COORDINATION AT ORD APCH CTL. WE INITIALLY CALLED UP ON 128.45 (NOT THE USUAL FREQ). NORMALLY ORD APCH USES 125.7 OR 119.0. JUST PRIOR TO THE INCIDENT WE WERE TRANSFERRED TO 125.7. I BELIEVE THAT THE 3 FREQ IN USE AT THE TIME WAS A CONTRIBUTING FACTOR TO THE INCIDENT AS WE WERE MONITORING ALL CLRNCS IN THE HOLDING PATTERN TO PRECLUDE JUST SUCH AN INCIDENT. WE NEVER HEARD THE OTHER ACFT OR HIS INSTRUCTION AT ANY TIME. JUST PRIOR TO OUR DESCENT CLRNC FROM 11K TO 10K THERE WAS A GARBLED XMISSION THAT WAS NEVER CLARIFIED. AFTER ARR AT ORD, A TELEPHONE CONVERSATION WITH THE APCH CONTROL SUPERVISOR REVEALED THAT APCH ADMITTED TO HAVING CLRED BOTH ACFT IN THE SAME AIRSPACE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.