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Attributes | |
ACN | 874488 |
Time | |
Date | 201002 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201-1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | GJT.Airport |
State Reference | CO |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | Citation Excel (C560XL) |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | Initial Climb |
Route In Use | SID ROCKIE7 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Component | |
Aircraft Component | FMS/FMC |
Person 1 | |
Function | First Officer Pilot Not Flying |
Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
Person 2 | |
Function | Captain Pilot Flying |
Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
Events | |
Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types |
Narrative:
We departed runway 29 on a 270 heading; our clearance was jnc V8 truel. Departure cleared us direct jnc on course. We were on the inbound radial to the VOR requiring a 180 degree turn to go on course. I had the VOR on my side. The pilot flying was using the FMS. When the FMS commanded a left turn I noticed we were still a couple miles from the VOR. I figured with the altitude and the turn we would be pretty close to the VOR. About half way through the turn the controller said; 'I see your turning.' I said; 'we had been to the VOR and were heading outbound.' she didn't say anything else; but from the way she said it; it made me think she thought we were to fly past the VOR before turning.this is an unusual situation. Many times I have been given a clearance direct to a fix or VOR and then on course; sometimes requiring a 30 or 40 degree change. In theses cases we do not fly over or past the fix; but turn to intercept the course outbound. I may be making more of this than is needed; but when a 180 change is needed I'm not sure of the correct answer.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CE560XL flight crew departing GJT is cleared direct JNC V8 TRUEL which requires a 180 degree course reversal at JNC. The FMC accomplishes this reversal well before reaching JNC prompting a query from the Controller.
Narrative: We departed Runway 29 on a 270 heading; our clearance was JNC V8 TRUEL. Departure cleared us direct JNC on course. We were on the inbound radial to the VOR requiring a 180 degree turn to go on course. I had the VOR on my side. The Pilot Flying was using the FMS. When the FMS commanded a left turn I noticed we were still a couple miles from the VOR. I figured with the altitude and the turn we would be pretty close to the VOR. About half way through the turn the Controller said; 'I see your turning.' I said; 'we had been to the VOR and were heading outbound.' She didn't say anything else; but from the way she said it; it made me think she thought we were to fly past the VOR before turning.This is an unusual situation. Many times I have been given a clearance direct to a fix or VOR and then on course; sometimes requiring a 30 or 40 degree change. In theses cases we do not fly over or past the fix; but turn to intercept the course outbound. I may be making more of this than is needed; but when a 180 change is needed I'm not sure of the correct answer.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of April 2012 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.