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Attributes | |
ACN | 89614 |
Time | |
Date | 198806 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : pdz |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 16000 msl bound upper : 24000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Dusk |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zla |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | cruise other descent other |
Route In Use | enroute airway : zla |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 111 flight time total : 9250 flight time type : 1920 |
ASRS Report | 89614 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : radar |
Qualification | controller : radar |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : undershoot altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : insufficient time |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
A verbal conflict between the controller and myself resulted in my aircraft being late in meeting a crossing restriction. We were on a flight from mex to lax and approaching jli we were told to cross jli at or below FL280 maintain FL240. We crossed jli at FL280 and changed controllers. We were about to continue our descent when the controller asked us why we didn't descend to FL240 or rather I should say he asked us why we stopped at FL280. About at this point we were cleared to 'cross 30 south of pdz at 16000',' and then immediately told to 'cross 20 south of pdz at 16000'.' the discussion, which became a verbal conflict re: the FL280/FL240 continued. The discussion became embroiled and prolonged and my aircraft was late in meeting the 16000' restriction. I was distracted from my cockpit management duties and I feel the controller was distracted from his duties. I have certainly been around long enough to know that you should not try to straighten out a misunderstanding on the radio waves, but should use the telephone after landing. Because I became upset with what I took to be a condescending attitude on the part of the controller, I did not practice what I had learned. Either the controller or myself should have suggested the conversation be continued via phone at the onset of our discussion. Next time I will.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR MLG ALT DEVIATION CROSSING RESTRICTION NOT MET.
Narrative: A VERBAL CONFLICT BTWN THE CTLR AND MYSELF RESULTED IN MY ACFT BEING LATE IN MEETING A XING RESTRICTION. WE WERE ON A FLT FROM MEX TO LAX AND APCHING JLI WE WERE TOLD TO CROSS JLI AT OR BELOW FL280 MAINTAIN FL240. WE CROSSED JLI AT FL280 AND CHANGED CTLRS. WE WERE ABOUT TO CONTINUE OUR DSCNT WHEN THE CTLR ASKED US WHY WE DIDN'T DSND TO FL240 OR RATHER I SHOULD SAY HE ASKED US WHY WE STOPPED AT FL280. ABOUT AT THIS POINT WE WERE CLRED TO 'CROSS 30 S OF PDZ AT 16000',' AND THEN IMMEDIATELY TOLD TO 'CROSS 20 S OF PDZ AT 16000'.' THE DISCUSSION, WHICH BECAME A VERBAL CONFLICT RE: THE FL280/FL240 CONTINUED. THE DISCUSSION BECAME EMBROILED AND PROLONGED AND MY ACFT WAS LATE IN MEETING THE 16000' RESTRICTION. I WAS DISTRACTED FROM MY COCKPIT MGMNT DUTIES AND I FEEL THE CTLR WAS DISTRACTED FROM HIS DUTIES. I HAVE CERTAINLY BEEN AROUND LONG ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT YOU SHOULD NOT TRY TO STRAIGHTEN OUT A MISUNDERSTANDING ON THE RADIO WAVES, BUT SHOULD USE THE TELEPHONE AFTER LNDG. BECAUSE I BECAME UPSET WITH WHAT I TOOK TO BE A CONDESCENDING ATTITUDE ON THE PART OF THE CTLR, I DID NOT PRACTICE WHAT I HAD LEARNED. EITHER THE CTLR OR MYSELF SHOULD HAVE SUGGESTED THE CONVERSATION BE CONTINUED VIA PHONE AT THE ONSET OF OUR DISCUSSION. NEXT TIME I WILL.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.