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Attributes | |
ACN | 90784 |
Time | |
Date | 198807 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : mso |
State Reference | MT |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 28000 msl bound upper : 28500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zlc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude cruise other descent other |
Route In Use | enroute airway : zlc |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 290 flight time total : 9800 flight time type : 290 |
ASRS Report | 90784 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude conflict : airborne less severe inflight encounter : weather non adherence : required legal separation |
Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 15000 vertical : 500 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
At XA20 uct in cruise flight at FL270, mso to slc. After checking the appropriate performance charts, I requested and received a clearance to FL290 to top clouds ahead. At approximately XA24 we reached 28900' and could not climb any higher. The rate of climb went from zero to a slow descent. The controller asked us what our altitude was, we advised him we were at 28600' and could not climb to FL290, and requested a clearance to FL270. The airplane stopped descending at 28500'. About 30 seconds later we passed the meteorological conditions which took our climb performance and resumed a very slow climb. At the point of reaching 28700' again the controller cleared us to FL270. The controller advised us that ATC's equipment registered a ca with an light transport Y jet at FL280. We were not able to climb above 28700' and we thought center saw this on their screen. After we landed in slc the supervisor told me their equipment showed us at FL290 and this was the reason no vector was given to the light transport Y. In retrospect the controller's equipment showed a very slow rate of climb above FL280 for us. Possibly this could have alerted him to the need for a vector. Many times in cruise flight we receive vectors away from aircraft which are much farther away than the light transport Y in this situation.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR LTT UNABLE TO CLIMB TO OR MAINTAIN REQUESTED AND ASSIGNED ALT HAD LESS THAN STANDARD SEPARATION WITH ENROUTE LTT.
Narrative: AT XA20 UCT IN CRUISE FLT AT FL270, MSO TO SLC. AFTER CHKING THE APPROPRIATE PERFORMANCE CHARTS, I REQUESTED AND RECEIVED A CLRNC TO FL290 TO TOP CLOUDS AHEAD. AT APPROX XA24 WE REACHED 28900' AND COULD NOT CLB ANY HIGHER. THE RATE OF CLB WENT FROM ZERO TO A SLOW DSCNT. THE CTLR ASKED US WHAT OUR ALT WAS, WE ADVISED HIM WE WERE AT 28600' AND COULD NOT CLB TO FL290, AND REQUESTED A CLRNC TO FL270. THE AIRPLANE STOPPED DSNDING AT 28500'. ABOUT 30 SECS LATER WE PASSED THE METEOROLOGICAL CONDITIONS WHICH TOOK OUR CLB PERFORMANCE AND RESUMED A VERY SLOW CLB. AT THE POINT OF REACHING 28700' AGAIN THE CTLR CLRED US TO FL270. THE CTLR ADVISED US THAT ATC'S EQUIP REGISTERED A CA WITH AN LTT Y JET AT FL280. WE WERE NOT ABLE TO CLB ABOVE 28700' AND WE THOUGHT CENTER SAW THIS ON THEIR SCREEN. AFTER WE LANDED IN SLC THE SUPVR TOLD ME THEIR EQUIP SHOWED US AT FL290 AND THIS WAS THE REASON NO VECTOR WAS GIVEN TO THE LTT Y. IN RETROSPECT THE CTLR'S EQUIP SHOWED A VERY SLOW RATE OF CLB ABOVE FL280 FOR US. POSSIBLY THIS COULD HAVE ALERTED HIM TO THE NEED FOR A VECTOR. MANY TIMES IN CRUISE FLT WE RECEIVE VECTORS AWAY FROM ACFT WHICH ARE MUCH FARTHER AWAY THAN THE LTT Y IN THIS SITUATION.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.