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Attributes | |
ACN | 91168 |
Time | |
Date | 198807 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : smf |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2500 msl bound upper : 3500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : mcc |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Make Model Name | Small Aircraft, Low Wing, 1 Eng, Fixed Gear |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | None |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | instruction : instructor |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 50 flight time total : 3500 flight time type : 800 |
ASRS Report | 91168 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | instruction : trainee |
Qualification | pilot : student |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 500 vertical : 300 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Dual xc training. Route of flight from hamilton field, ca, to mc clellan AFB using combo of pilotage and VOR navigation. Contacted travis approach control at napa (skaggs island VOR) for VFR flight following through travis airspace and for handoff to sacramento TRACON for arsa services around sacramento metropolitan and mc clellan AFB arsa's. We were at and maintained 3500' MSL from initial contact to the time of the incident. Flight following was normal and handoffs also, till the last one. Approach controller was relaying a clearance and told us to standby. Controller issued traffic notices to an air carrier company regarding a light aircraft eastbound at 2500'. We (student and CFI) had visual on an medium large transport off metropolitan climbing, markings unknown. Bearing remained constant indicating potential for collision. I expected the departing airplane to turn eward (as usual). When the range closed to less than a mile, I reduced power and began descent. At about the same time the medium large transport saw me and turned to his right. At about that time controller requested I verify altitude 2500' (aircraft is not mode C equipped). I notified him we had been at 3500' and were currently descending. The medium large transport was called as traffic and there was some discussion between the controller, the air carrier pilot and myself regarding why that had happened. On the last handoff the controller was busy. There was confusion as to our altitude, although it had been steady for the proceeding 50 mi of flight. The radio was reported broken by that controller, although no other ATC facility had reported this to me. Descent was continued and aircraft was landed with no further incident. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following: aircraft was from military aeronautical club thus using military facs, but civilian activity. On contact at each handoff pilot gave altitude of 3500'. No other controller had indicated any communication equipment problem.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: SMA AND MLG POTENTIAL CONFLICT.
Narrative: DUAL XC TRNING. ROUTE OF FLT FROM HAMILTON FIELD, CA, TO MC CLELLAN AFB USING COMBO OF PILOTAGE AND VOR NAV. CONTACTED TRAVIS APCH CTL AT NAPA (SKAGGS ISLAND VOR) FOR VFR FLT FOLLOWING THROUGH TRAVIS AIRSPACE AND FOR HDOF TO SACRAMENTO TRACON FOR ARSA SVCS AROUND SACRAMENTO METRO AND MC CLELLAN AFB ARSA'S. WE WERE AT AND MAINTAINED 3500' MSL FROM INITIAL CONTACT TO THE TIME OF THE INCIDENT. FLT FOLLOWING WAS NORMAL AND HDOFS ALSO, TILL THE LAST ONE. APCH CTLR WAS RELAYING A CLRNC AND TOLD US TO STANDBY. CTLR ISSUED TFC NOTICES TO AN ACR COMPANY REGARDING A LIGHT ACFT EBND AT 2500'. WE (STUDENT AND CFI) HAD VISUAL ON AN MLG OFF METRO CLBING, MARKINGS UNKNOWN. BEARING REMAINED CONSTANT INDICATING POTENTIAL FOR COLLISION. I EXPECTED THE DEPARTING AIRPLANE TO TURN EWARD (AS USUAL). WHEN THE RANGE CLOSED TO LESS THAN A MILE, I REDUCED PWR AND BEGAN DSCNT. AT ABOUT THE SAME TIME THE MLG SAW ME AND TURNED TO HIS RIGHT. AT ABOUT THAT TIME CTLR REQUESTED I VERIFY ALT 2500' (ACFT IS NOT MODE C EQUIPPED). I NOTIFIED HIM WE HAD BEEN AT 3500' AND WERE CURRENTLY DSNDING. THE MLG WAS CALLED AS TFC AND THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION BTWN THE CTLR, THE ACR PLT AND MYSELF REGARDING WHY THAT HAD HAPPENED. ON THE LAST HDOF THE CTLR WAS BUSY. THERE WAS CONFUSION AS TO OUR ALT, ALTHOUGH IT HAD BEEN STEADY FOR THE PROCEEDING 50 MI OF FLT. THE RADIO WAS RPTED BROKEN BY THAT CTLR, ALTHOUGH NO OTHER ATC FAC HAD RPTED THIS TO ME. DSCNT WAS CONTINUED AND ACFT WAS LANDED WITH NO FURTHER INCIDENT. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING: ACFT WAS FROM MIL AERO CLUB THUS USING MIL FACS, BUT CIVILIAN ACTIVITY. ON CONTACT AT EACH HDOF PLT GAVE ALT OF 3500'. NO OTHER CTLR HAD INDICATED ANY COM EQUIP PROB.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.