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Air carrier-medium large transport saw air carrier-large transport pass in close proximity, no traffic advisory given, controller said visual separation used.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 92960 |
| Time | |
| Date | 198808 |
| Day | Wed |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : pie airport : tpa |
| State Reference | FL |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 10200 msl bound upper : 11000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Navigation In Use | Other |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
| Route In Use | enroute airway : tpa |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
| Flight Phase | descent other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 5000 flight time type : 1000 |
| ASRS Report | 92960 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp |
| Experience | controller military : 12 controller radar : 17 controller supervisory : 3 flight time last 90 days : 125 flight time total : 5000 flight time type : 1150 |
| ASRS Report | 92777 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : published procedure |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : insufficient time |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 2500 vertical : 800 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Operational Deviation |
Narrative:
Cleared to climb to 12000'. Between 10000-11000' we were given turn from approximately 290 degrees to 020 degrees and soon thereafter to 050 degrees. Passing approximately 340 degrees while in 25 degree banked turn to right, the captain reported seeing an large transport Y at our 10:30 position, approximately 800' below us and passing approximately 2500' behind us. Controller on 118.8 was questioned concerning this large transport Y. Controller said large transport Y had accepted clearance to maintain visual sep from us. We were not given any traffic advisory concerning large transport Y traffic and heard no such advisory or clearance to large transport Y concerning us. Supplemental information from acn 92777: an opp direction air carrier large transport Y appeared at our 10:30 position and passed quickly below and behind us. Large transport Y was in hard right, descending turn away from us. Questioned controller, who said converging headings were noted at 3 NM, but large transport Y had us in sight and accepted clearance to maintain visual sep. We heard none of this on 118.8 and were given no traffic advisory.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR-MLG SAW ACR-LGT PASS IN CLOSE PROX, NO TRAFFIC ADVISORY GIVEN, CTLR SAID VISUAL SEPARATION USED.
Narrative: CLRED TO CLB TO 12000'. BTWN 10000-11000' WE WERE GIVEN TURN FROM APPROX 290 DEGS TO 020 DEGS AND SOON THEREAFTER TO 050 DEGS. PASSING APPROX 340 DEGS WHILE IN 25 DEG BANKED TURN TO RIGHT, THE CAPT RPTED SEEING AN LGT Y AT OUR 10:30 POS, APPROX 800' BELOW US AND PASSING APPROX 2500' BEHIND US. CTLR ON 118.8 WAS QUESTIONED CONCERNING THIS LGT Y. CTLR SAID LGT Y HAD ACCEPTED CLRNC TO MAINTAIN VISUAL SEP FROM US. WE WERE NOT GIVEN ANY TFC ADVISORY CONCERNING LGT Y TFC AND HEARD NO SUCH ADVISORY OR CLRNC TO LGT Y CONCERNING US. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 92777: AN OPP DIRECTION ACR LGT Y APPEARED AT OUR 10:30 POS AND PASSED QUICKLY BELOW AND BEHIND US. LGT Y WAS IN HARD RIGHT, DSNDING TURN AWAY FROM US. QUESTIONED CTLR, WHO SAID CONVERGING HDGS WERE NOTED AT 3 NM, BUT LGT Y HAD US IN SIGHT AND ACCEPTED CLRNC TO MAINTAIN VISUAL SEP. WE HEARD NONE OF THIS ON 118.8 AND WERE GIVEN NO TFC ADVISORY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.