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Attributes | |
ACN | 94764 |
Time | |
Date | 198809 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : iad |
State Reference | VA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 3800 msl bound upper : 4000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : iad |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | cruise other descent : approach descent other |
Route In Use | approach : visual |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 14000 flight time type : 7500 |
ASRS Report | 94764 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : approach |
Qualification | controller : radar |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : required legal separation |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance none taken : insufficient time other |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 5000 vertical : 500 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
We descended under IFR toward dulles runway 12 and called the runway in sight about 12-14 DME from the armel VOR at 5000-6000' MSL. We were cleared for the visual approach, requested and received approval for s-turns to lose altitude. No restrictions or traffic was given in regard to the s-turns. On a southerly heading at about 3800' MSL, approach gave us an immediate turn to 090 degrees and immediate descent to 3000' re: traffic at our 1 O'clock position at 4000'. We called the traffic in sight, but were unable to accurately determine his heading or speed in relation to ours on account of the darkness. In our turn back to the airport, we had less than 1 mi sep according to approach. As far as we knew, we were the only airplane in the area. Approach should have issued traffic or approved turns to the northeast side of final approach course if he wanted to keep us away from the other airplane. I understand that the controller workload is high, but if I as a pilot could be aware of a larger picture than my own cockpit, I could probably help the situation with less communication instead of feeling like I'm being led blindly around, not knowing the controller's plan of attack.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR MLG, ON VISUAL APCH, CONFLICTED WITH UNKNOWN, UNREPORTED, ACFT ON FINAL APCH COURSE TO RWY 12.
Narrative: WE DSNDED UNDER IFR TOWARD DULLES RWY 12 AND CALLED THE RWY IN SIGHT ABOUT 12-14 DME FROM THE ARMEL VOR AT 5000-6000' MSL. WE WERE CLRED FOR THE VISUAL APCH, REQUESTED AND RECEIVED APPROVAL FOR S-TURNS TO LOSE ALT. NO RESTRICTIONS OR TFC WAS GIVEN IN REGARD TO THE S-TURNS. ON A SOUTHERLY HDG AT ABOUT 3800' MSL, APCH GAVE US AN IMMEDIATE TURN TO 090 DEGS AND IMMEDIATE DSCNT TO 3000' RE: TFC AT OUR 1 O'CLOCK POS AT 4000'. WE CALLED THE TFC IN SIGHT, BUT WERE UNABLE TO ACCURATELY DETERMINE HIS HDG OR SPD IN RELATION TO OURS ON ACCOUNT OF THE DARKNESS. IN OUR TURN BACK TO THE ARPT, WE HAD LESS THAN 1 MI SEP ACCORDING TO APCH. AS FAR AS WE KNEW, WE WERE THE ONLY AIRPLANE IN THE AREA. APCH SHOULD HAVE ISSUED TFC OR APPROVED TURNS TO THE NE SIDE OF FINAL APCH COURSE IF HE WANTED TO KEEP US AWAY FROM THE OTHER AIRPLANE. I UNDERSTAND THAT THE CTLR WORKLOAD IS HIGH, BUT IF I AS A PLT COULD BE AWARE OF A LARGER PICTURE THAN MY OWN COCKPIT, I COULD PROBABLY HELP THE SITUATION WITH LESS COM INSTEAD OF FEELING LIKE I'M BEING LED BLINDLY AROUND, NOT KNOWING THE CTLR'S PLAN OF ATTACK.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.