Air carrier flight crew reports an illegal ETOPS dispatch due to misunderstanding a new sabre flight...

Attributes
ACN	980675
Time
Date	201111
Local Time Of Day	1201-1800
Place
Locale Reference	CZQX.ARTCC
State Reference	NF
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Aircraft 1
Make Model Name	Commercial Fixed Wing
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Flight Phase	Cruise
Person 1
Function	Pilot Flying First Officer
Qualification	Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP)
Experience	Flight Crew Last 90 Days 220 Flight Crew Total 18000 Flight Crew Type 2900
Person 2
Function	Relief Pilot Pilot Not Flying
Qualification	Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP)
Experience	Flight Crew Last 90 Days 200 Flight Crew Total 18000 Flight Crew Type 2000
Events
Anomaly	Deviation - Procedural FAR Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy

Narrative:

We departed with an illegal dispatch. We were using the new sabre flight plan and as we were approaching what we thought were our first etp's. I began to realize that we didn't have what we were accustomed to in the old system as etp's. We were 138 minutes ETOPS. We believed yyr and snn were our ETOPS alternates and that kef was not recommended due to temperature moderate snow pellets. As far as I knew we were legal at that time. I didn't know it was an illegal dispatch until I was notified when the relief pilot asked a sabre instructor a few questions and he said we didn't have the critical fuel scenario for our etp making this illegal. He asked because we had a discussion in flight about this and it raised questions we weren't sure what the answers were. I think this is once again poor training and dealing with many procedural and flight planning changes.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: Air Carrier flight crew reports an illegal ETOPS dispatch due to misunderstanding a new Sabre flight planning document. The crew was dispatched under 138 minute ETOPS and may have required three alternates and two ETP's.

Narrative: We departed with an illegal dispatch. We were using the new Sabre Flight Plan and as we were approaching what we thought were our first ETP's. I began to realize that we didn't have what we were accustomed to in the old system as ETP's. We were 138 minutes ETOPS. We believed YYR and SNN were our ETOPS Alternates and that KEF was not recommended due to TEMP moderate snow pellets. As far as I knew we were legal at that time. I didn't know it was an illegal dispatch until I was notified when the relief pilot asked a Sabre Instructor a few questions and he said we didn't have the critical fuel scenario for our ETP making this illegal. He asked because we had a discussion in flight about this and it raised questions we weren't sure what the answers were. I think this is once again poor training and dealing with many procedural and flight planning changes.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of April 2012 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

Air carrier flight crew reports an illegal ETOPS dispatch due to misunderstanding a new sabre flight planning document. The crew was dispatched under 138 minute ETOPS and may have required three alternates and two etp's.