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Attributes | |
ACN | 115956 |
Time | |
Date | 198907 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lax |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 3400 msl bound upper : 3400 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : lax |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Widebody, Low Wing, 4 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | descent other other |
Route In Use | approach : visual |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 29000 |
ASRS Report | 115956 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 0 vertical : 1400 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We had been cleared for a visual approach (stadium visual) to runway 24L. On right downwind we turned south to parallel the harbor freeway. Traffic was called on final approach for runway 25L. I looked for and had the traffic in sight. The copilot started his turn to final for 24L but because of the hazy conditions he inadvertently picked runway 25L&right while shifting his gaze and checking for the traffic. He then shallowed his turn to final. When I saw that we were going to overshoot the turn to final, I took control of the aircraft and leveled it at 3200', turned back toward the centerline of 24L and then continued the approach after we were reestablished on the 24L centerline. During the turn back to correct to 24L centerline we passed more than 1000' above the traffic on final approach for runway 25L. The localizer for 24L was notamed out of service. We used the lax VOR and NDB for 24R for guidance but their accuracy is not that good so far from the field. I suggest that no visual approach should be started at parallel approach runways unless all localizer navaids are operational. Had we the 24L ILS we would not have been off track.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR WDB OVERSHOT TURN ON FOR VISUAL APCH TO RWY 24L AT LAX. SAYS WITHOUT 24L LOC THE APCH SHOULD NOT BE USED.
Narrative: WE HAD BEEN CLRED FOR A VISUAL APCH (STADIUM VISUAL) TO RWY 24L. ON RIGHT DOWNWIND WE TURNED S TO PARALLEL THE HARBOR FREEWAY. TFC WAS CALLED ON FINAL APCH FOR RWY 25L. I LOOKED FOR AND HAD THE TFC IN SIGHT. THE COPLT STARTED HIS TURN TO FINAL FOR 24L BUT BECAUSE OF THE HAZY CONDITIONS HE INADVERTENTLY PICKED RWY 25L&R WHILE SHIFTING HIS GAZE AND CHECKING FOR THE TFC. HE THEN SHALLOWED HIS TURN TO FINAL. WHEN I SAW THAT WE WERE GOING TO OVERSHOOT THE TURN TO FINAL, I TOOK CONTROL OF THE ACFT AND LEVELED IT AT 3200', TURNED BACK TOWARD THE CENTERLINE OF 24L AND THEN CONTINUED THE APCH AFTER WE WERE REESTABLISHED ON THE 24L CENTERLINE. DURING THE TURN BACK TO CORRECT TO 24L CENTERLINE WE PASSED MORE THAN 1000' ABOVE THE TFC ON FINAL APCH FOR RWY 25L. THE LOC FOR 24L WAS NOTAMED OUT OF SERVICE. WE USED THE LAX VOR AND NDB FOR 24R FOR GUIDANCE BUT THEIR ACCURACY IS NOT THAT GOOD SO FAR FROM THE FIELD. I SUGGEST THAT NO VISUAL APCH SHOULD BE STARTED AT PARALLEL APCH RWYS UNLESS ALL LOC NAVAIDS ARE OPERATIONAL. HAD WE THE 24L ILS WE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN OFF TRACK.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.