Air carrier medium large transport advised by ZLA that they had less than standard separation from a mountain in their vicinity and stated that they were at the wrong altitude for that area. Erroneous off-course track and handling by ont departure control.

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Attributes
ACN	126547
Time
Date	198910
Day	Fri
Local Time Of Day	1801 To 2400
Place
Locale Reference	atc facility : trn airport : psp
State Reference	CA
Altitude	msl bound lower : 11000 msl bound upper : 11000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Night
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	artcc : zla tracon : ont
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng
Navigation In Use	Other
Flight Phase	cruise other cruise other
Route In Use	departure other departure sid : sid enroute : on vectors
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 26000 flight time type : 17000
ASRS Report	126547
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : atp
Events
Anomaly	conflict : ground critical non adherence : far other anomaly other other spatial deviation other spatial deviation
Independent Detector	other controllera
Resolutory Action	controller : issued new clearance flight crew : exited adverse environment other
Consequence	faa : reviewed incident with flight crew
Miss Distance	horizontal : 60000 vertical : 196
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Ambiguous
Air Traffic Incident	Operational Error
Situations
ATC Facility	procedure or policy : unspecified

Narrative:

Ont departure told us to turn 180 degrees because ZLA was too busy to handle us (flight from ont-psp). After 125 degrees of turn, ont departure turned us back around through our original heading to intercept. ZLA asked us what they were doing turning us. We told them what had occurred, and they said ont departure was 'playing games.' he (ZLA) asked us if we could see san jacinto mountain, which we could. We were not at a proper altitude for being that close. San jacinto 10800'--we should have been at 13000'.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: ACR MLG ADVISED BY ZLA THAT THEY HAD LESS THAN STANDARD SEPARATION FROM A MOUNTAIN IN THEIR VICINITY AND STATED THAT THEY WERE AT THE WRONG ALT FOR THAT AREA. ERRONEOUS OFF-COURSE TRACK AND HANDLING BY ONT DEP CTL.

Narrative: ONT DEP TOLD US TO TURN 180 DEGS BECAUSE ZLA WAS TOO BUSY TO HANDLE US (FLT FROM ONT-PSP). AFTER 125 DEGS OF TURN, ONT DEP TURNED US BACK AROUND THROUGH OUR ORIGINAL HDG TO INTERCEPT. ZLA ASKED US WHAT THEY WERE DOING TURNING US. WE TOLD THEM WHAT HAD OCCURRED, AND THEY SAID ONT DEP WAS 'PLAYING GAMES.' HE (ZLA) ASKED US IF WE COULD SEE SAN JACINTO MOUNTAIN, WHICH WE COULD. WE WERE NOT AT A PROPER ALT FOR BEING THAT CLOSE. SAN JACINTO 10800'--WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN AT 13000'.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.