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Attributes | |
ACN | 1303361 |
Time | |
Date | 201510 |
Local Time Of Day | 1801-2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | SFO.Airport |
State Reference | CA |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | Citationjet (C525/C526) - CJ I / II / III / IV |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | Final Approach |
Route In Use | Other Instrument Approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | B777 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 129 |
Flight Phase | Final Approach |
Route In Use | Other Instrument Approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Function | Local |
Qualification | Air Traffic Control Fully Certified |
Experience | Air Traffic Control Time Certified In Pos 1 (yrs) 15.8 |
Events | |
Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy Deviation - Procedural Clearance |
Narrative:
We were advertising simultaneous offset instrument approaches runway 28L&right. We were able to see the arrivals around the san mateo bridge during the session. There were aircraft lining up on final to ILS runway 28 right and left instead of the offset localizer runway 28R. While I was writing down the call-signs; the finals controller called and said this pair were on closely spaced parallel (csp) approaches - meaning the two could reduce to 1.5 miles staggered ILS approaches. I really don't think this was legal as we are required to advertise particular language on the ATIS notifying the pilots of the reduced separation. With that; I acknowledged the call as opposed to arguing about it. Based on csp arrivals separation; they were good all the way down. Not make up the approaches along the way to accommodate a situation that just isn't working.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: There are two procedures for reduced spacing of aircraft on parallel final approaches at SFO. The reporter stated the TRACON changed from one procedure to the other without the proper ATIS broadcast.
Narrative: We were advertising Simultaneous Offset Instrument Approaches Runway 28L&R. We were able to see the arrivals around the San Mateo Bridge during the session. There were aircraft lining up on final to ILS Runway 28 Right and Left instead of the offset Localizer Runway 28R. While I was writing down the call-signs; the finals controller called and said this pair were on Closely Spaced Parallel (CSP) approaches - meaning the two could reduce to 1.5 miles staggered ILS approaches. I really don't think this was legal as we are required to advertise particular language on the ATIS notifying the pilots of the reduced separation. With that; I acknowledged the call as opposed to arguing about it. Based on CSP arrivals separation; they were good all the way down. Not make up the approaches along the way to accommodate a situation that just isn't working.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.