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Attributes | |
ACN | 1489255 |
Time | |
Date | 201710 |
Local Time Of Day | 1801-2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | ZUA.ARTCC |
State Reference | GU |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | Widebody Transport |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 129 |
Flight Phase | Cruise |
Route In Use | Oceanic |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Large Transport |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Cruise |
Route In Use | Oceanic |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Function | Enroute |
Qualification | Air Traffic Control Fully Certified |
Experience | Air Traffic Control Time Certified In Pos 1 (yrs) 12 |
Events | |
Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy |
Narrative:
I was working the radar assist position; transferred out aircraft X at FL400 at oatss and aircraft Y at FL400 at natss; utilizing degrees divergence in the transition from radar to oceanic non-radar separation. Advised the radar controller that aircraft Y would need to be on the airway after natss as aircraft X already was on the airway after oatss to establish the required separation criteria and that they would need to wait until the fixes to terminate radar or establish them on the airways prior to the fix. The radar controller then cleared the aircraft to deviate direct to natss and oatss when able; terminated them both and switched them to arinc. I do not believe that the radar controller; nor many people at ZUA understand what it means to terminate radar and that it is our responsibility to establish the transition into oceanic non-radar separation.the training program here is dismal and does not properly teach the airspace and requirements of terminal radar to enroute radar to domestic non-radar and oceanic non-radar. It really just address's the terminal radar in the [simulator lab] and then it appears a lot of people here look for ZOA to tell them what we can or can't do when we transfer aircraft out.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ZAU Center Controller reported the Radar Controller did not follow proper procedures to ensure required non radar separation criteria were met for the receiving facility.
Narrative: I was working the Radar Assist Position; transferred out Aircraft X at FL400 at OATSS and Aircraft Y at FL400 at NATSS; utilizing degrees divergence in the transition from Radar to Oceanic Non-Radar separation. Advised the Radar Controller that Aircraft Y would need to be on the airway after NATSS as Aircraft X already was on the airway after OATSS to establish the required separation criteria and that they would need to wait until the fixes to terminate radar or establish them on the airways prior to the fix. The Radar Controller then cleared the aircraft to deviate direct to NATSS and OATSS when able; terminated them both and switched them to ARINC. I do not believe that the Radar Controller; nor many people at ZUA understand what it means to terminate radar and that it is our responsibility to establish the transition into Oceanic Non-Radar Separation.The training program here is dismal and does not properly teach the airspace and requirements of Terminal Radar to Enroute Radar to Domestic Non-Radar and Oceanic Non-Radar. It really just address's the Terminal Radar in the [simulator lab] and then it appears a lot of people here look for ZOA to tell them what we can or can't do when we transfer aircraft out.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.