Air carrier large transport unauthorized penetration of airspace while on an assigned radar vector f...

Attributes
ACN	152350
Time
Date	199007
Day	Fri
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	atc facility : dca
State Reference	DC
Environment
Flight Conditions	IMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	artcc : zdc
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng
Flight Phase	climbout : intermediate altitude
Route In Use	enroute : on vectors
Flight Plan	IFR
Aircraft 2
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Large Transport
Flight Phase	climbout : intermediate altitude
Route In Use	enroute : on vectors
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : instrument
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 2000
ASRS Report	152350
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Events
Anomaly	other anomaly other other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other controllera other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	controller : issued new clearance flight crew : exited penetrated airspace
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	ATC Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation Operational Deviation

Narrative:

Leaving dca en route to bdl. After takeoff, we were given an assigned heading of 90 degrees for climb/traffic. An O/a flight was on frequency and was given a 360 degree turn. For the next several mins, the O/a pilot interrogated the controller as to who and why the 360 degrees was assigned. The controller was busy, but remained polite in spite of the beating he was taking from O/a. Apparently the controller became overwhelmed or the dialogue from the O/a crew blocked an transmission, because the controller called us and gave us a 110 degree heading to avoid aberdeen proving grounds. We banked sharp more than 30 degrees. The controller was obviously concerned about the situations as were we. We do not now if we penetrated the restr airspace (close). The lesson here is 2-FOLD: 1) do not trust the controller to keep you clear of restr areas, help him (do not accept clearance/steer clear and advise when the frequency is clear). 2) saturating the radio frequency in a congested area as O/a did with their 100 questions and third degree is not only bad manners, it makes a safe and controled airspace system unsafe.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: ACR LGT UNAUTH PENETRATION OF AIRSPACE WHILE ON AN ASSIGNED RADAR VECTOR FROM ZDC.

Narrative: LEAVING DCA ENRTE TO BDL. AFTER TKOF, WE WERE GIVEN AN ASSIGNED HDG OF 90 DEGS FOR CLB/TFC. AN O/A FLT WAS ON FREQ AND WAS GIVEN A 360 DEG TURN. FOR THE NEXT SEVERAL MINS, THE O/A PLT INTERROGATED THE CTLR AS TO WHO AND WHY THE 360 DEGS WAS ASSIGNED. THE CTLR WAS BUSY, BUT REMAINED POLITE IN SPITE OF THE BEATING HE WAS TAKING FROM O/A. APPARENTLY THE CTLR BECAME OVERWHELMED OR THE DIALOGUE FROM THE O/A CREW BLOCKED AN XMISSION, BECAUSE THE CTLR CALLED US AND GAVE US A 110 DEG HDG TO AVOID ABERDEEN PROVING GNDS. WE BANKED SHARP MORE THAN 30 DEGS. THE CTLR WAS OBVIOUSLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE SITUATIONS AS WERE WE. WE DO NOT NOW IF WE PENETRATED THE RESTR AIRSPACE (CLOSE). THE LESSON HERE IS 2-FOLD: 1) DO NOT TRUST THE CTLR TO KEEP YOU CLR OF RESTR AREAS, HELP HIM (DO NOT ACCEPT CLRNC/STEER CLR AND ADVISE WHEN THE FREQ IS CLR). 2) SATURATING THE RADIO FREQ IN A CONGESTED AREA AS O/A DID WITH THEIR 100 QUESTIONS AND THIRD DEGREE IS NOT ONLY BAD MANNERS, IT MAKES A SAFE AND CTLED AIRSPACE SYS UNSAFE.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

Air carrier large transport unauthorized penetration of airspace while on an assigned radar vector from ZDC.