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Air carrier PIC complains of visual approach clrncs and runway changes from lax approach controllers as a threat to air carrier safety.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 158201 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199009 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : lax |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 2000 msl bound upper : 3500 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | Marginal |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : lax |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Flight Phase | cruise other descent : approach descent other |
| Route In Use | approach : straight in arrival other arrival star : star |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : commercial |
| Experience | flight time total : 10000 |
| ASRS Report | 158290 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
| Situations | |
| ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
| Airport | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
Controllers at this facility handling large amounts of traffic. Consequently they are encouraging aircraft to accept visibility approachs (keep other aircraft in sight, or airport) when in fact WX/visibility is questionable. My landing runway was changed 3 times in 5 mins on approach (25L, 24R, sidestep 24L). Along with that they slide in other aircraft on approach (6 DME!) and expect you to maintain visibility when you're entering cloud banks. This practice is a serious threat to air carrier safety margins.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR PIC COMPLAINS OF VISUAL APCH CLRNCS AND RWY CHANGES FROM LAX APCH CTLRS AS A THREAT TO ACR SAFETY.
Narrative: CTLRS AT THIS FAC HANDLING LARGE AMOUNTS OF TFC. CONSEQUENTLY THEY ARE ENCOURAGING ACFT TO ACCEPT VIS APCHS (KEEP OTHER ACFT IN SIGHT, OR ARPT) WHEN IN FACT WX/VISIBILITY IS QUESTIONABLE. MY LNDG RWY WAS CHANGED 3 TIMES IN 5 MINS ON APCH (25L, 24R, SIDESTEP 24L). ALONG WITH THAT THEY SLIDE IN OTHER ACFT ON APCH (6 DME!) AND EXPECT YOU TO MAINTAIN VIS WHEN YOU'RE ENTERING CLOUD BANKS. THIS PRACTICE IS A SERIOUS THREAT TO ACR SAFETY MARGINS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.