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Attributes | |
ACN | 158644 |
Time | |
Date | 199009 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : isp |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 700 agl bound upper : 700 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : isp tower : ilg |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial climbout : takeoff |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Small Aircraft, High Wing, 1 Eng, Fixed Gear |
Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff climbout : initial |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 7000 flight time type : 4000 |
ASRS Report | 158644 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 200 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
Small aircraft cleared for takeoff ahead of us. Directed to turn crosswind as soon as possible after departure. After 1-2 mins we were cleared for takeoff assigned runway heading to 3000'. Sky clear but haze and bright sunlight reduced visibility to 2-3 NM. Shortly after gear retraction but before flaps up, I saw the small aircraft at about 11:30 less than 1 mi (still flying runway heading). As I pointed him out to the first officer who was PF, an anxious tower controller asked us if we had previous departure in sight. I replied that we did, and we blew by him with about 100 K of overtake. All happened very quickly. Lively discussion ensued between tower and small aircraft as to what his departure instructions had been. We were handed off to ny departure for the usual crazy vectors up and out of ny RAPCON airspace. If isp tower had radar they should have waited to clear us for takeoff until previously departed was observed in the turn. If no radar, they should have verbally confirmed that he was on a course out of the departure path. Another case of light AC and turbojet mix making for a bad brew. My second near midair collision over long island in 30 days.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MLG HAS NMAC WITH SMA AFTER TKOF.
Narrative: SMA CLRED FOR TKOF AHEAD OF US. DIRECTED TO TURN XWIND ASAP AFTER DEP. AFTER 1-2 MINS WE WERE CLRED FOR TKOF ASSIGNED RWY HDG TO 3000'. SKY CLR BUT HAZE AND BRIGHT SUNLIGHT REDUCED VISIBILITY TO 2-3 NM. SHORTLY AFTER GEAR RETRACTION BUT BEFORE FLAPS UP, I SAW THE SMA AT ABOUT 11:30 LESS THAN 1 MI (STILL FLYING RWY HDG). AS I POINTED HIM OUT TO THE F/O WHO WAS PF, AN ANXIOUS TWR CTLR ASKED US IF WE HAD PREVIOUS DEP IN SIGHT. I REPLIED THAT WE DID, AND WE BLEW BY HIM WITH ABOUT 100 K OF OVERTAKE. ALL HAPPENED VERY QUICKLY. LIVELY DISCUSSION ENSUED BTWN TWR AND SMA AS TO WHAT HIS DEP INSTRUCTIONS HAD BEEN. WE WERE HANDED OFF TO NY DEP FOR THE USUAL CRAZY VECTORS UP AND OUT OF NY RAPCON AIRSPACE. IF ISP TWR HAD RADAR THEY SHOULD HAVE WAITED TO CLR US FOR TKOF UNTIL PREVIOUSLY DEPARTED WAS OBSERVED IN THE TURN. IF NO RADAR, THEY SHOULD HAVE VERBALLY CONFIRMED THAT HE WAS ON A COURSE OUT OF THE DEP PATH. ANOTHER CASE OF LIGHT AC AND TURBOJET MIX MAKING FOR A BAD BREW. MY SECOND NMAC OVER LONG ISLAND IN 30 DAYS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.