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Attributes | |
ACN | 161542 |
Time | |
Date | 199010 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : atl |
State Reference | GA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 6000 msl bound upper : 6400 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : atl |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | arrival other enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 3600 flight time type : 1600 |
ASRS Report | 161542 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 6500 flight time type : 2500 |
ASRS Report | 161297 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : published procedure non adherence : required legal separation |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 9000 vertical : 400 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
We contacted atl approach at 236.9 at 40 NM and 9000' coming from the northeast. While being vectored for a visibility to runway 26R we were given a descent to 6000' and told to contact atl approach on 118.35. We contacted approach while passing 6800' because they were extremely busy at the time. We were instructed to climb immediately back to 7000' because of traffic at 2 O'clock and 6000' (medium large transport) and we were also told to contact approach on 127.25. We did as instructed and the flight was completed west/O further incident. I really have no explanation for the medium large transport and us ending up so close together except for a controller mixup. I do think that a factor in this incident was that atl approach sometimes consolidates approach frequencys (north/south), but you as a crew don't ever know it. So when approach gave us 118.35 for final approach we didn't question, even though final approach from the north is 127.25 when both frequencys are working. It would be very helpful if the crews could know ahead of time if north/south approachs have been consolidated to 1 frequency.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: APCH CTLR FAILED TO PROVIDE STANDARD RADAR SEPARATION BETWEEN 2 ACFT UNDER HIS CTL.
Narrative: WE CONTACTED ATL APCH AT 236.9 AT 40 NM AND 9000' COMING FROM THE NE. WHILE BEING VECTORED FOR A VIS TO RWY 26R WE WERE GIVEN A DSNT TO 6000' AND TOLD TO CONTACT ATL APCH ON 118.35. WE CONTACTED APCH WHILE PASSING 6800' BECAUSE THEY WERE EXTREMELY BUSY AT THE TIME. WE WERE INSTRUCTED TO CLB IMMEDIATELY BACK TO 7000' BECAUSE OF TFC AT 2 O'CLOCK AND 6000' (MLG) AND WE WERE ALSO TOLD TO CONTACT APCH ON 127.25. WE DID AS INSTRUCTED AND THE FLT WAS COMPLETED W/O FURTHER INCIDENT. I REALLY HAVE NO EXPLANATION FOR THE MLG AND US ENDING UP SO CLOSE TOGETHER EXCEPT FOR A CTLR MIXUP. I DO THINK THAT A FACTOR IN THIS INCIDENT WAS THAT ATL APCH SOMETIMES CONSOLIDATES APCH FREQS (N/S), BUT YOU AS A CREW DON'T EVER KNOW IT. SO WHEN APCH GAVE US 118.35 FOR FINAL APCH WE DIDN'T QUESTION, EVEN THOUGH FINAL APCH FROM THE N IS 127.25 WHEN BOTH FREQS ARE WORKING. IT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL IF THE CREWS COULD KNOW AHEAD OF TIME IF N/S APCHS HAVE BEEN CONSOLIDATED TO 1 FREQ.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.