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Attributes | |
ACN | 178554 |
Time | |
Date | 199105 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : opf |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 1000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : opf |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Small Aircraft, High Wing, 1 Eng, Fixed Gear |
Flight Phase | descent : approach landing other other |
Flight Plan | None |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | instruction : instructor |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 11000 flight time type : 400 |
ASRS Report | 178554 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | instruction : trainee |
Qualification | pilot : student |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : clearance non adherence : far other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
I was on a left downwind for 9L. Cleared to land #2 behind an aircraft on short final. Asked for a long landing and it was approved. After traffic on final, cleared runway. We were slightly downwind of midfield, so we (student and I) turned base and final to land long on upwind end of 8000' runway as cleared by tower. Turning off runway, tower gave us a bunch of static for flying a short approach. I said they cleared us to land long, but they said we hadn't been cleared for a 'short approach.' what do they expect us to do? Fly downwind 3 mi to do a long landing? No other aircraft were in the air traffic area and there was no conflict created.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: INSTRUCTOR WITH STUDENT PLT MAKES SHORT APCH WITHOUT CLRNC FROM TWR.
Narrative: I WAS ON A LEFT DOWNWIND FOR 9L. CLRED TO LAND #2 BEHIND AN ACFT ON SHORT FINAL. ASKED FOR A LONG LNDG AND IT WAS APPROVED. AFTER TFC ON FINAL, CLRED RWY. WE WERE SLIGHTLY DOWNWIND OF MIDFIELD, SO WE (STUDENT AND I) TURNED BASE AND FINAL TO LAND LONG ON UPWIND END OF 8000' RWY AS CLRED BY TWR. TURNING OFF RWY, TWR GAVE US A BUNCH OF STATIC FOR FLYING A SHORT APCH. I SAID THEY CLRED US TO LAND LONG, BUT THEY SAID WE HADN'T BEEN CLRED FOR A 'SHORT APCH.' WHAT DO THEY EXPECT US TO DO? FLY DOWNWIND 3 MI TO DO A LONG LNDG? NO OTHER ACFT WERE IN THE ATA AND THERE WAS NO CONFLICT CREATED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.