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Attributes | |
ACN | 182860 |
Time | |
Date | 199106 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lax |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 1100 msl bound upper : 1300 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : lax |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Widebody, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude climbout : initial |
Route In Use | departure sid : sid |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | departure sid : sid enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 12800 flight time type : 650 |
ASRS Report | 182860 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 500 vertical : 500 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
We were cleared for takeoff on runway 24L with instructions to turn left to 210 degree, climb to 13000. Takeoff weight was 356000 pounds, flaps 0/16 with a V2 speed of 169 KTS, initial climb speed 179 KTS. At the shoreline, I started a left turn. In the turn, at about 800 ft, I and the other 2 crew members saw the lights of another airplane in the windshield close to us and on a collision course. I rolled back toward the right and simultaneously pushed the nose over. We peaked at about 1300 ft and descended to about 1100 ft as we passed slightly below and behind the other airplane. I find it impossible to judge in ft how close we were because of the night condition and we only saw the lights of the other airplane, but it was much too close! Lax tower apparently had cleared the other airplane for takeoff on runway 25R with a right turn out. (Runway 25R is on the south side of lax, runway 24L is on the north side.) lax tower called us and apologized for the problem with the comment that they thought the 25R traffic would be far enough ahead of us that there would not be a conflict!
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CLOSE PROX ACR WDB IN L TURN FROM RWY 24L AND ACFT UNKNOWN IN R TURN FROM RWY 25R AT LAX.
Narrative: WE WERE CLRED FOR TKOF ON RWY 24L WITH INSTRUCTIONS TO TURN L TO 210 DEG, CLB TO 13000. TKOF WT WAS 356000 POUNDS, FLAPS 0/16 WITH A V2 SPD OF 169 KTS, INITIAL CLB SPD 179 KTS. AT THE SHORELINE, I STARTED A L TURN. IN THE TURN, AT ABOUT 800 FT, I AND THE OTHER 2 CREW MEMBERS SAW THE LIGHTS OF ANOTHER AIRPLANE IN THE WINDSHIELD CLOSE TO US AND ON A COLLISION COURSE. I ROLLED BACK TOWARD THE R AND SIMULTANEOUSLY PUSHED THE NOSE OVER. WE PEAKED AT ABOUT 1300 FT AND DSNDED TO ABOUT 1100 FT AS WE PASSED SLIGHTLY BELOW AND BEHIND THE OTHER AIRPLANE. I FIND IT IMPOSSIBLE TO JUDGE IN FT HOW CLOSE WE WERE BECAUSE OF THE NIGHT CONDITION AND WE ONLY SAW THE LIGHTS OF THE OTHER AIRPLANE, BUT IT WAS MUCH TOO CLOSE! LAX TWR APPARENTLY HAD CLRED THE OTHER AIRPLANE FOR TKOF ON RWY 25R WITH A R TURN OUT. (RWY 25R IS ON THE S SIDE OF LAX, RWY 24L IS ON THE N SIDE.) LAX TWR CALLED US AND APOLOGIZED FOR THE PROBLEM WITH THE COMMENT THAT THEY THOUGHT THE 25R TFC WOULD BE FAR ENOUGH AHEAD OF US THAT THERE WOULD NOT BE A CONFLICT!
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.