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Attributes | |
ACN | 185395 |
Time | |
Date | 199108 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : den |
State Reference | CO |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 400 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : den |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | ground other : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Small Transport, Low Wing, 2 Recip Eng |
Flight Phase | descent : approach landing : go around other |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : instrument pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 206 flight time total : 16900 flight time type : 206 |
ASRS Report | 185395 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : ground less severe incursion : runway |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 9000 vertical : 400 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation other |
Narrative:
Due to the aircraft gross weight, we required a special improved flaps 1 departure on either 17L or 17R at denver. Traffic was departing 8L/right and landing 17R/left. We were given taxi from our concourse east on runway 7 to turn left on D3 to hold short of Z. Then we were cleared up Z to hold short of Z3. We figured this unusual routing was to avoid sbound landing traffic off of 17R and we assumed we would be using 17R. There were rainshowers west and north of the airport and wind shifts and windshear looked possible. One carrier went around on 17R as we taxied up Z. They stated it was due to turbulence. We were cleared to cross Z3 to 17. An aircraft was just rolling south past Z3 at this time. We turned west to cross 17R and tower caught our mistake but not before our nose had crossed the white line. Tower told small twin Y to go around. The aircraft rolling by us at the time the instructions were given to cross Z3 led us down the wrong path. Everything seemed to fit! The key word 'cross' should be reserved only for runway xings, not to cross a taxiway. Proper terminology would be, 'cleared to continue northbound on Z to 17L', which is where ATC thought he was sending us. Yes, we should have questioned the clearance! Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: made structured callback as part of runway incursion study. Reporter explained the term 'special improved flaps one departure.' says he is not sure why the flight crew had a runway 17R mindset or why they did not question the clearance to cross 17R. Previous clearance to hold short of Z-3 was to provide for arrival traffic landing 17L and turning off at Z-5 or Z-4. Need for longer runway caused air carrier X to taxi opposite the flow of inbound traffic landing on the runways 17. Reporter call facility after flight to review what had happened.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR RWY INCURSION. UNAUTHORIZED RWY XING.
Narrative: DUE TO THE ACFT GROSS WT, WE REQUIRED A SPECIAL IMPROVED FLAPS 1 DEP ON EITHER 17L OR 17R AT DENVER. TFC WAS DEPARTING 8L/R AND LNDG 17R/L. WE WERE GIVEN TAXI FROM OUR CONCOURSE E ON RWY 7 TO TURN L ON D3 TO HOLD SHORT OF Z. THEN WE WERE CLRED UP Z TO HOLD SHORT OF Z3. WE FIGURED THIS UNUSUAL RTING WAS TO AVOID SBOUND LNDG TFC OFF OF 17R AND WE ASSUMED WE WOULD BE USING 17R. THERE WERE RAINSHOWERS W AND N OF THE ARPT AND WIND SHIFTS AND WINDSHEAR LOOKED POSSIBLE. ONE CARRIER WENT AROUND ON 17R AS WE TAXIED UP Z. THEY STATED IT WAS DUE TO TURB. WE WERE CLRED TO CROSS Z3 TO 17. AN ACFT WAS JUST ROLLING S PAST Z3 AT THIS TIME. WE TURNED W TO CROSS 17R AND TWR CAUGHT OUR MISTAKE BUT NOT BEFORE OUR NOSE HAD CROSSED THE WHITE LINE. TWR TOLD SMALL TWIN Y TO GAR. THE ACFT ROLLING BY US AT THE TIME THE INSTRUCTIONS WERE GIVEN TO CROSS Z3 LED US DOWN THE WRONG PATH. EVERYTHING SEEMED TO FIT! THE KEY WORD 'CROSS' SHOULD BE RESERVED ONLY FOR RWY XINGS, NOT TO CROSS A TAXIWAY. PROPER TERMINOLOGY WOULD BE, 'CLRED TO CONTINUE NBOUND ON Z TO 17L', WHICH IS WHERE ATC THOUGHT HE WAS SENDING US. YES, WE SHOULD HAVE QUESTIONED THE CLRNC! CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: MADE STRUCTURED CALLBACK AS PART OF RWY INCURSION STUDY. RPTR EXPLAINED THE TERM 'SPECIAL IMPROVED FLAPS ONE DEP.' SAYS HE IS NOT SURE WHY THE FLC HAD A RWY 17R MINDSET OR WHY THEY DID NOT QUESTION THE CLRNC TO CROSS 17R. PREVIOUS CLRNC TO HOLD SHORT OF Z-3 WAS TO PROVIDE FOR ARR TFC LNDG 17L AND TURNING OFF AT Z-5 OR Z-4. NEED FOR LONGER RWY CAUSED ACR X TO TAXI OPPOSITE THE FLOW OF INBOUND TFC LNDG ON THE RWYS 17. RPTR CALL FACILITY AFTER FLT TO REVIEW WHAT HAD HAPPENED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.