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Attributes | |
ACN | 186379 |
Time | |
Date | 199108 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : lga |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 5500 msl bound upper : 6300 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90 |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | descent : approach descent other |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air taxi |
Make Model Name | Light Transport, High Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 7000 flight time type : 1500 |
ASRS Report | 186379 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : insufficient time |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 0 vertical : 800 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
On a scheduled flight from to lga, we were being controled by lga approach. We were given a heading and a descent to 4000 ft by lga approach. During the descent we given a traffic advisory of an light transport about 2-3 O'clock at 5500 ft and that he would pass behind us. We acknowledged and reported that we did not see the light transport as we were descending through 6300 ft we suddenly saw the light transport at 2 O'clock. It was not a near miss and was over in 1 second. I called lga approach when we landed and was told that the light transport was on his own VFR at 5500. We were at 6300 when we passed. Since the other aircraft was VFR the controller said we only needed 500 ft vertical separation. In my opinion it may have been legal but it was still too close for comfort. It was not a near miss and no evasive action was taken or needed. If our descent rate had been greater, the heading the controller gave us could have brought us a lot closer. I also think VFR traffic in one of the world's busiest TCA's is not logical.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF LGT ON APCH TO LGA CAME IN CONFLICT WITH LTT VFR 15 N OF LGA AT 5500. TFC HAD BEEN ADVISED BY N90 CTLR.
Narrative: ON A SCHEDULED FLT FROM TO LGA, WE WERE BEING CTLED BY LGA APCH. WE WERE GIVEN A HDG AND A DSCNT TO 4000 FT BY LGA APCH. DURING THE DSCNT WE GIVEN A TFC ADVISORY OF AN LTT ABOUT 2-3 O'CLOCK AT 5500 FT AND THAT HE WOULD PASS BEHIND US. WE ACKNOWLEDGED AND RPTED THAT WE DID NOT SEE THE LTT AS WE WERE DSNDING THROUGH 6300 FT WE SUDDENLY SAW THE LTT AT 2 O'CLOCK. IT WAS NOT A NEAR MISS AND WAS OVER IN 1 SECOND. I CALLED LGA APCH WHEN WE LANDED AND WAS TOLD THAT THE LTT WAS ON HIS OWN VFR AT 5500. WE WERE AT 6300 WHEN WE PASSED. SINCE THE OTHER ACFT WAS VFR THE CTLR SAID WE ONLY NEEDED 500 FT VERT SEPARATION. IN MY OPINION IT MAY HAVE BEEN LEGAL BUT IT WAS STILL TOO CLOSE FOR COMFORT. IT WAS NOT A NEAR MISS AND NO EVASIVE ACTION WAS TAKEN OR NEEDED. IF OUR DSCNT RATE HAD BEEN GREATER, THE HDG THE CTLR GAVE US COULD HAVE BROUGHT US A LOT CLOSER. I ALSO THINK VFR TFC IN ONE OF THE WORLD'S BUSIEST TCA'S IS NOT LOGICAL.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.