Air carrier large transport entered ahd at the wrong VOR en route to mia.

Attributes
ACN	191235
Time
Date	199110
Day	Tue
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	atc facility : rsw airport : mia
State Reference	FL
Altitude	msl bound lower : 29000 msl bound upper : 29000
Environment
Flight Conditions	IMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	artcc : zma
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng
Flight Phase	other
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer pilot : cfi
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 190 flight time total : 8000 flight time type : 3000
ASRS Report	191235
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 3500 flight time type : 1700
ASRS Report	191571
Events
Anomaly	non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	none taken : detected after the fact
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

Scheduled flight from dtw-mia. Proceeding to rsw then CCE2 arrival to mia. Mia airport closed due to thunderstorm over and around the field. Approximately 100 mi north of rsw told to expect holding. Anticipated holding for 1 hour so I left flight deck for mens room. I resumed flying the aircraft and was cleared to hold at collier county (cce VOR) as published. The first officer and I discussed the fact that the holding radial on the chart was not clearly specified. I checked the low and high altitude charts without satisfaction so we checked with mia center to confirm cleared to hold northwest on the 288 degree radial. ATC verified this. The so and I had been discussing our fuel state and conferring with flight dispatch over our possible holding time and we changed our alternate from mco to fll to allow a longer hold. The first officer and I discussed holding pattern entry and direction of hold and I entered hold over lee county (rsw VOR). First officer reported entering hold at FL290. Mia center responded 'understand entering hold at collier county.' first officer replied 'affirmative.' first officer and I discuss why would center respond in this manner and we decide it's because he called entering hold about 1.5-2 mi prior to actual fix. My radios were set up for rsw. First officer radios set up cce. I had just turned inbound from my 20 mi outbound leg when first officer advises I'm at wrong fix. I proceed to correct pattern at cce (approximately 23 mi due south) and nothing had been said from center. Our error was at XX00Z, at XX10Z air carrier X airlines started to commit exact error but corrected themselves. Performance considerations: I did not fully communicate with my first officer upon return from biffy. I got involved with so and dispatch at a very busy and inopportune time. I don't think the holding pattern at cce is well defined. Lee county and collier county sound very similar at 500 KTS and only 23 mi apart. Mia center didn't keep a very close eye on us or air carrier X.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: ACR LGT ENTERED AHD AT THE WRONG VOR ENRTE TO MIA.

Narrative: SCHEDULED FLT FROM DTW-MIA. PROCEEDING TO RSW THEN CCE2 ARR TO MIA. MIA ARPT CLOSED DUE TO TSTM OVER AND AROUND THE FIELD. APPROX 100 MI N OF RSW TOLD TO EXPECT HOLDING. ANTICIPATED HOLDING FOR 1 HR SO I LEFT FLT DECK FOR MENS ROOM. I RESUMED FLYING THE ACFT AND WAS CLRED TO HOLD AT COLLIER COUNTY (CCE VOR) AS PUBLISHED. THE FO AND I DISCUSSED THE FACT THAT THE HOLDING RADIAL ON THE CHART WAS NOT CLRLY SPECIFIED. I CHKED THE LOW AND HIGH ALT CHARTS WITHOUT SATISFACTION SO WE CHKED WITH MIA CENTER TO CONFIRM CLRED TO HOLD NW ON THE 288 DEG RADIAL. ATC VERIFIED THIS. THE SO AND I HAD BEEN DISCUSSING OUR FUEL STATE AND CONFERRING WITH FLT DISPATCH OVER OUR POSSIBLE HOLDING TIME AND WE CHANGED OUR ALTERNATE FROM MCO TO FLL TO ALLOW A LONGER HOLD. THE FO AND I DISCUSSED HOLDING PATTERN ENTRY AND DIRECTION OF HOLD AND I ENTERED HOLD OVER LEE COUNTY (RSW VOR). FO RPTED ENTERING HOLD AT FL290. MIA CENTER RESPONDED 'UNDERSTAND ENTERING HOLD AT COLLIER COUNTY.' FO REPLIED 'AFFIRMATIVE.' FO AND I DISCUSS WHY WOULD CENTER RESPOND IN THIS MANNER AND WE DECIDE IT'S BECAUSE HE CALLED ENTERING HOLD ABOUT 1.5-2 MI PRIOR TO ACTUAL FIX. MY RADIOS WERE SET UP FOR RSW. FO RADIOS SET UP CCE. I HAD JUST TURNED INBOUND FROM MY 20 MI OUTBOUND LEG WHEN FO ADVISES I'M AT WRONG FIX. I PROCEED TO CORRECT PATTERN AT CCE (APPROX 23 MI DUE S) AND NOTHING HAD BEEN SAID FROM CENTER. OUR ERROR WAS AT XX00Z, AT XX10Z ACR X AIRLINES STARTED TO COMMIT EXACT ERROR BUT CORRECTED THEMSELVES. PERFORMANCE CONSIDERATIONS: I DID NOT FULLY COMMUNICATE WITH MY FO UPON RETURN FROM BIFFY. I GOT INVOLVED WITH SO AND DISPATCH AT A VERY BUSY AND INOPPORTUNE TIME. I DON'T THINK THE HOLDING PATTERN AT CCE IS WELL DEFINED. LEE COUNTY AND COLLIER COUNTY SOUND VERY SIMILAR AT 500 KTS AND ONLY 23 MI APART. MIA CENTER DIDN'T KEEP A VERY CLOSE EYE ON US OR ACR X.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.