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Attributes | |
ACN | 191845 |
Time | |
Date | 199110 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : srp |
State Reference | AZ |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 27000 msl bound upper : 33000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zab artcc : zoa |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other descent other |
Route In Use | enroute airway : zab |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : private pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 275 flight time total : 10500 flight time type : 9000 |
ASRS Report | 191845 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 6000 flight time type : 1700 |
ASRS Report | 192013 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Inbound to phx, our initial clearance was pilot's discretion to 12000 ft. Our cruise altitude was 33000. We were initiating our descent when we received a clearance to descend to FL290. A comment was made to the effect that we were needed out of FL330. I continued the descent past FL290 to 12000 ft thinking that discretion to 12000 was still valid. There was traffic at FL280 which we had on TCASII but no resolution was issued by TCASII. Abq center told us to rush to FL270, which we did. It was late at night and last flight of the day and of a 3 day trip. I was probably not as sharp as I normally am. It would have been better stated by the controller had he said 'cancel pilot's discretion and descend now to FL290.'
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR MLG ALT DEV OVERSHOT DURING DSCNT.
Narrative: INBOUND TO PHX, OUR INITIAL CLRNC WAS PLT'S DISCRETION TO 12000 FT. OUR CRUISE ALT WAS 33000. WE WERE INITIATING OUR DSCNT WHEN WE RECEIVED A CLRNC TO DSND TO FL290. A COMMENT WAS MADE TO THE EFFECT THAT WE WERE NEEDED OUT OF FL330. I CONTINUED THE DSCNT PAST FL290 TO 12000 FT THINKING THAT DISCRETION TO 12000 WAS STILL VALID. THERE WAS TFC AT FL280 WHICH WE HAD ON TCASII BUT NO RESOLUTION WAS ISSUED BY TCASII. ABQ CENTER TOLD US TO RUSH TO FL270, WHICH WE DID. IT WAS LATE AT NIGHT AND LAST FLT OF THE DAY AND OF A 3 DAY TRIP. I WAS PROBABLY NOT AS SHARP AS I NORMALLY AM. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER STATED BY THE CTLR HAD HE SAID 'CANCEL PLT'S DISCRETION AND DSND NOW TO FL290.'
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.