<< >> NASA ASRS Report 194876, November 1991

Air carrier medium large transport captain claims ATC used the wrong phraseology when giving a clearance VOR a visual approach at dtw.

Attributes
ACN	194876
Time
Date	199111
Day	Mon
Local Time Of Day	1801 To 2400
Place
Locale Reference	airport : dtw
State Reference	MI
Altitude	msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 3000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Night
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : dtw tower : dtw
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng
Flight Phase	descent other landing other
Route In Use	approach : visual enroute : on vectors
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : private
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 6500 flight time type : 3000
ASRS Report	194876
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : atp
Events
Anomaly	non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	none taken : anomaly accepted
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	ATC Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	other

Narrative:

Upon arrival detroit metropolitan wayne, we were cleared for ILS 21R approach, maintain 3000 ft MSL till intercepting the localizer. While doing so, we were VMC and asked if 21C was available. Approach stated, 'yes, 21C available, contact tower.' calling tower, they stated, 'cleared to land 21C.' I comment on this ATC communications because proper terminology was not used. 'Cleared visual 21C or cleared for sidestep 21C.' pilots are questioned so many times for improper or omitting proper responses, ATC should be held so accountable. After completing a visual approach, this concerned myself as we allowed these improper responses from approach/tower to approve our approach.

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Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: ACR MLG CAPT CLAIMS ATC USED THE WRONG PHRASEOLOGY WHEN GIVING A CLRNC VOR A VISUAL APCH AT DTW.

Narrative: UPON ARR DETROIT METRO WAYNE, WE WERE CLRED FOR ILS 21R APCH, MAINTAIN 3000 FT MSL TILL INTERCEPTING THE LOC. WHILE DOING SO, WE WERE VMC AND ASKED IF 21C WAS AVAILABLE. APCH STATED, 'YES, 21C AVAILABLE, CONTACT TWR.' CALLING TWR, THEY STATED, 'CLRED TO LAND 21C.' I COMMENT ON THIS ATC COMS BECAUSE PROPER TERMINOLOGY WAS NOT USED. 'CLRED VISUAL 21C OR CLRED FOR SIDESTEP 21C.' PLTS ARE QUESTIONED SO MANY TIMES FOR IMPROPER OR OMITTING PROPER RESPONSES, ATC SHOULD BE HELD SO ACCOUNTABLE. AFTER COMPLETING A VISUAL APCH, THIS CONCERNED MYSELF AS WE ALLOWED THESE IMPROPER RESPONSES FROM APCH/TWR TO APPROVE OUR APCH.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.