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Attributes | |
ACN | 195166 |
Time | |
Date | 199111 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : mia |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 16000 msl bound upper : 23000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Dusk |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zma |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude cruise other |
Route In Use | departure other enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 8000 |
ASRS Report | 195156 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 5000 flight time type : 3000 |
ASRS Report | 195151 |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | other physical facility |
Narrative:
Fll departure control gave us a heading of 270 to intercept J85 out of mia and to climb to FL230. We were approximately 27-30 mi north of mia VOR at that time and were told to contact mia center. Mia asked us if we had been issued a clearance to intercept J85 and I said that we had been but had not yet reached the airway at that time. We were approximately 1 DOT (5 degrees) on the HSI for our intercept. The controller said he showed us on the airway and told us to turn to a 340 degree heading and maintain 16000 and that he had traffic at 17000. We were climbing through 14000 and I read back the clearance acknowledging the 340 heading and the 16000 altitude. The center said they had some trouble with the mia VOR earlier. We were then cleared direct to lakeland VOR and to climb to FL230. When we were approximately 56 mi from mia VOR the center asked us what radial we showed off the mia VOR. I said 333 and the center showed us 331. There was no further discussion. I feel that the 65 degree intercept caused the controller to feel like we were not going to make the turn onto the airway. A more gradual intercept may have avoided the problem. Also, since the center reported to us that they had 'some trouble with the VOR' we should have been advised that it might give an erroneous reading and plan the intercept accordingly.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF LGT IN CLB QUESTIONED BY ARTCC REF RADIAL OFF MIA. ARTCC SCOPE SHOWED 2 DEG ERROR.
Narrative: FLL DEP CTL GAVE US A HDG OF 270 TO INTERCEPT J85 OUT OF MIA AND TO CLB TO FL230. WE WERE APPROX 27-30 MI N OF MIA VOR AT THAT TIME AND WERE TOLD TO CONTACT MIA CENTER. MIA ASKED US IF WE HAD BEEN ISSUED A CLRNC TO INTERCEPT J85 AND I SAID THAT WE HAD BEEN BUT HAD NOT YET REACHED THE AIRWAY AT THAT TIME. WE WERE APPROX 1 DOT (5 DEGS) ON THE HSI FOR OUR INTERCEPT. THE CTLR SAID HE SHOWED US ON THE AIRWAY AND TOLD US TO TURN TO A 340 DEG HDG AND MAINTAIN 16000 AND THAT HE HAD TFC AT 17000. WE WERE CLBING THROUGH 14000 AND I READ BACK THE CLRNC ACKNOWLEDGING THE 340 HDG AND THE 16000 ALT. THE CENTER SAID THEY HAD SOME TROUBLE WITH THE MIA VOR EARLIER. WE WERE THEN CLRED DIRECT TO LAKELAND VOR AND TO CLB TO FL230. WHEN WE WERE APPROX 56 MI FROM MIA VOR THE CENTER ASKED US WHAT RADIAL WE SHOWED OFF THE MIA VOR. I SAID 333 AND THE CENTER SHOWED US 331. THERE WAS NO FURTHER DISCUSSION. I FEEL THAT THE 65 DEG INTERCEPT CAUSED THE CTLR TO FEEL LIKE WE WERE NOT GOING TO MAKE THE TURN ONTO THE AIRWAY. A MORE GRADUAL INTERCEPT MAY HAVE AVOIDED THE PROBLEM. ALSO, SINCE THE CENTER RPTED TO US THAT THEY HAD 'SOME TROUBLE WITH THE VOR' WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN ADVISED THAT IT MIGHT GIVE AN ERRONEOUS READING AND PLAN THE INTERCEPT ACCORDINGLY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.