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Attributes | |
ACN | 198204 |
Time | |
Date | 199201 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : bza |
State Reference | AZ |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 35500 msl bound upper : 37000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zla |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | enroute airway : j2 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 11000 flight time type : 1700 |
ASRS Report | 198204 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met altitude deviation : undershoot non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Level at FL330, we were given a clearance to cross 10 me east of bard VOR at FL370. I looked at my digital DME readout and it displayed 015 mi west of bard VOR. I figured 25 mi to make FL370 would not be a problem so I accepted the climb clearance. A few mi later, the same controller questioned our ability to make the climb restriction. I said to the first officer, 'we just started our climb out of FL330 and the controller is questioning our ability to make the climb restriction. Something is wrong.' at this time I realized we were very close to the crossing point but 1500 ft below the clearance altitude. The first officer told the controller that transport aircraft don't climb too fast at altitude when heavy or medium weights. The controller responded, 'well you should not have accepted the clearance.' the controller didn't seem to have a conflict problem because there was no more said about the situation. I accepted this clearance because I knew I could make a 4000 ft climb in 25 mi. What I didn't know until a few mins later was that my digital readout was not operating normally. It read 015 (15 mi) and it should have read 005 (5 mi). 3 of the lights were out that make up the number 0. End result: I was 10 mi closer to the crossing fix than the DME showed. If I knew this I wouldn't have accepted the clearance. If a controller has a possible traffic conflict and he needs you to climb and cross a point at a certain altitude, he will usually ask if you can make the given crossing restriction before issuing the clearance. The stated controller just issued a climb restriction clearance that was impossible for most transport aircraft to make. The combination of impossible clearance and an erroneous DME display caused us not to make the restriction.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR MLG ALTDEV UNDERSHOT ALT XING RESTRICTION DURING CLB OUT FROM SAN.
Narrative: LEVEL AT FL330, WE WERE GIVEN A CLRNC TO CROSS 10 ME E OF BARD VOR AT FL370. I LOOKED AT MY DIGITAL DME READOUT AND IT DISPLAYED 015 MI W OF BARD VOR. I FIGURED 25 MI TO MAKE FL370 WOULD NOT BE A PROBLEM SO I ACCEPTED THE CLB CLRNC. A FEW MI LATER, THE SAME CTLR QUESTIONED OUR ABILITY TO MAKE THE CLB RESTRICTION. I SAID TO THE FO, 'WE JUST STARTED OUR CLBOUT OF FL330 AND THE CTLR IS QUESTIONING OUR ABILITY TO MAKE THE CLB RESTRICTION. SOMETHING IS WRONG.' AT THIS TIME I REALIZED WE WERE VERY CLOSE TO THE XING POINT BUT 1500 FT BELOW THE CLRNC ALT. THE FO TOLD THE CTLR THAT TRANSPORT ACFT DON'T CLB TOO FAST AT ALT WHEN HVY OR MEDIUM WTS. THE CTLR RESPONDED, 'WELL YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE ACCEPTED THE CLRNC.' THE CTLR DIDN'T SEEM TO HAVE A CONFLICT PROBLEM BECAUSE THERE WAS NO MORE SAID ABOUT THE SITUATION. I ACCEPTED THIS CLRNC BECAUSE I KNEW I COULD MAKE A 4000 FT CLB IN 25 MI. WHAT I DIDN'T KNOW UNTIL A FEW MINS LATER WAS THAT MY DIGITAL READOUT WAS NOT OPERATING NORMALLY. IT READ 015 (15 MI) AND IT SHOULD HAVE READ 005 (5 MI). 3 OF THE LIGHTS WERE OUT THAT MAKE UP THE NUMBER 0. END RESULT: I WAS 10 MI CLOSER TO THE XING FIX THAN THE DME SHOWED. IF I KNEW THIS I WOULDN'T HAVE ACCEPTED THE CLRNC. IF A CTLR HAS A POSSIBLE TFC CONFLICT AND HE NEEDS YOU TO CLB AND CROSS A POINT AT A CERTAIN ALT, HE WILL USUALLY ASK IF YOU CAN MAKE THE GIVEN XING RESTRICTION BEFORE ISSUING THE CLRNC. THE STATED CTLR JUST ISSUED A CLB RESTRICTION CLRNC THAT WAS IMPOSSIBLE FOR MOST TRANSPORT ACFT TO MAKE. THE COMBINATION OF IMPOSSIBLE CLRNC AND AN ERRONEOUS DME DISPLAY CAUSED US NOT TO MAKE THE RESTRICTION.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.