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Attributes | |
ACN | 208273 |
Time | |
Date | 199204 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : cle |
State Reference | OH |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 7000 msl bound upper : 7500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : cle |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 17000 flight time type : 12000 |
ASRS Report | 208273 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
On approach to cle level 7000 ft MSL we were told by RAPCON about an aircraft being vectored below us in climb to 6000 ft. In clouds and with forward visibility less than 1 mi to near 0. Our TCASII unit generated an RA climb. As per our company policy we responded with a prompt and affirmative climb until 'clear of conflict' by TCASII. Maximum deviation in altitude to 7500 ft. After 'clear of conflict' we returned immediately to 7000 ft. Notified ATC was asked to call cle approach on ground. Per that conversation 'there was no loss of separation' and the controller was 'surprised' by our action. Our manuals require this response. This flight crew acted appropriately 'by the book.' I see 2 possible solutions to this kind of incident. Vectors ahead of or behind oncoming traffic will possibly reduce TCASII conflict. Particularly where aircraft with automated climb profiles do not slow their climb/descent rates early enough. Pilots need to conscientiously control climb descent rates that last 1000 ft to 500 FPM.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR HAS TCASII RA. KNOWS TFC CLBING TO 1000 FT BELOW. RESPONDS TO TCASII RA WITH CLB.
Narrative: ON APCH TO CLE LEVEL 7000 FT MSL WE WERE TOLD BY RAPCON ABOUT AN ACFT BEING VECTORED BELOW US IN CLB TO 6000 FT. IN CLOUDS AND WITH FORWARD VISIBILITY LESS THAN 1 MI TO NEAR 0. OUR TCASII UNIT GENERATED AN RA CLB. AS PER OUR COMPANY POLICY WE RESPONDED WITH A PROMPT AND AFFIRMATIVE CLB UNTIL 'CLR OF CONFLICT' BY TCASII. MAX DEV IN ALT TO 7500 FT. AFTER 'CLR OF CONFLICT' WE RETURNED IMMEDIATELY TO 7000 FT. NOTIFIED ATC WAS ASKED TO CALL CLE APCH ON GND. PER THAT CONVERSATION 'THERE WAS NO LOSS OF SEPARATION' AND THE CTLR WAS 'SURPRISED' BY OUR ACTION. OUR MANUALS REQUIRE THIS RESPONSE. THIS FLC ACTED APPROPRIATELY 'BY THE BOOK.' I SEE 2 POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS TO THIS KIND OF INCIDENT. VECTORS AHEAD OF OR BEHIND ONCOMING TFC WILL POSSIBLY REDUCE TCASII CONFLICT. PARTICULARLY WHERE ACFT WITH AUTOMATED CLB PROFILES DO NOT SLOW THEIR CLB/DSCNT RATES EARLY ENOUGH. PLTS NEED TO CONSCIENTIOUSLY CTL CLB DSCNT RATES THAT LAST 1000 FT TO 500 FPM.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.