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Attributes | |
ACN | 213038 |
Time | |
Date | 199206 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : lax |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 300 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | ground : holding ground other : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Flight Phase | descent : approach landing : go around |
Route In Use | approach : straight in |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 2500 flight time type : 250 |
ASRS Report | 213038 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 11000 flight time type : 9000 |
ASRS Report | 212784 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : ground less severe |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 300 vertical : 300 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Deviation other |
Narrative:
Air carrier X waiting on the concrete pad at runway 24L at lax, tower cleared us onto the runway. I acknowledged, 'we will taxi onto the runway.' while taxiing forward, I told the captain to 'hold on,' when I observed a commuter coming in for a landing on runway 24L. The captain thought I was saying hold on for a widebody transport landing on runway 24R. I told the captain to 'stop.' he did, but he was probably 20-30 ft past the hold short line. I could still see the line out of my window. Several seconds passed, then tower sent air carrier Y around. We were 20-30 ft from actually being on the runway. After another couple of mins, tower cleared us for takeoff. Supplemental information from acn 212784: as we were moving toward the 'hold short line,' tower told us to taxi into position and hold. We responded with full call sign and readback. As we moved very slowly past the 'hold short line' the first officer checked final approach for runway 24L and saw an light transport 1/4 - 1/2 mi final. He said 'stop.' I looked past the first officer and saw the aircraft and gently stopped. We were short of the runway but past the 'hold short line.' tower told air carrier Y to go around. He told us again to 'taxi into position and hold' and then cleared us for takeoff.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR Y ISSUED GAR AFTER ACR X ISSUED CLRNC INTO POS ON ACR Y LNDG RWY.
Narrative: ACR X WAITING ON THE CONCRETE PAD AT RWY 24L AT LAX, TWR CLRED US ONTO THE RWY. I ACKNOWLEDGED, 'WE WILL TAXI ONTO THE RWY.' WHILE TAXIING FORWARD, I TOLD THE CAPT TO 'HOLD ON,' WHEN I OBSERVED A COMMUTER COMING IN FOR A LNDG ON RWY 24L. THE CAPT THOUGHT I WAS SAYING HOLD ON FOR A WDB LNDG ON RWY 24R. I TOLD THE CAPT TO 'STOP.' HE DID, BUT HE WAS PROBABLY 20-30 FT PAST THE HOLD SHORT LINE. I COULD STILL SEE THE LINE OUT OF MY WINDOW. SEVERAL SECONDS PASSED, THEN TWR SENT ACR Y AROUND. WE WERE 20-30 FT FROM ACTUALLY BEING ON THE RWY. AFTER ANOTHER COUPLE OF MINS, TWR CLRED US FOR TKOF. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 212784: AS WE WERE MOVING TOWARD THE 'HOLD SHORT LINE,' TWR TOLD US TO TAXI INTO POS AND HOLD. WE RESPONDED WITH FULL CALL SIGN AND READBACK. AS WE MOVED VERY SLOWLY PAST THE 'HOLD SHORT LINE' THE FO CHKED FINAL APCH FOR RWY 24L AND SAW AN LTT 1/4 - 1/2 MI FINAL. HE SAID 'STOP.' I LOOKED PAST THE FO AND SAW THE ACFT AND GENTLY STOPPED. WE WERE SHORT OF THE RWY BUT PAST THE 'HOLD SHORT LINE.' TWR TOLD ACR Y TO GAR. HE TOLD US AGAIN TO 'TAXI INTO POS AND HOLD' AND THEN CLRED US FOR TKOF.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.