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Medium large transport X unauthorized penetration newark TCA while flying dalton departure. Pilot deviation.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 215319 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199207 |
| Day | Fri |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : teb |
| State Reference | NJ |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 1300 msl bound upper : 1300 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90 tower : teb |
| Operator | general aviation : personal |
| Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude cruise other |
| Route In Use | departure other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 8000 flight time type : 600 |
| ASRS Report | 215319 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 7000 flight time type : 600 |
| ASRS Report | 215163 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : insufficient time |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Medium large transport X complying exactly with the dalton departure from teterboro, nj, we were told that we had entered the newark TCA. We were at all times within 4 DME of teb and never above 1300 MSL. I think the dalton VFR departure is a strange clearance to give an aircraft on an IFR departure. I suggest that it be reviewed. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: analyst spoke to procedures specialist at ny TRACON. Procedures specialist stated the dalton departure off teb was developed to expedite departures from teb. The departure has to be requested by the pilot and is not assigned unless requested. If the dalton departure is flown as published, it does not violate the newark TCA.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MLG X UNAUTHORIZED PENETRATION NEWARK TCA WHILE FLYING DALTON DEP. PLTDEV.
Narrative: MLG X COMPLYING EXACTLY WITH THE DALTON DEP FROM TETERBORO, NJ, WE WERE TOLD THAT WE HAD ENTERED THE NEWARK TCA. WE WERE AT ALL TIMES WITHIN 4 DME OF TEB AND NEVER ABOVE 1300 MSL. I THINK THE DALTON VFR DEP IS A STRANGE CLRNC TO GIVE AN ACFT ON AN IFR DEP. I SUGGEST THAT IT BE REVIEWED. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: ANALYST SPOKE TO PROCS SPECIALIST AT NY TRACON. PROCS SPECIALIST STATED THE DALTON DEP OFF TEB WAS DEVELOPED TO EXPEDITE DEPS FROM TEB. THE DEP HAS TO BE REQUESTED BY THE PLT AND IS NOT ASSIGNED UNLESS REQUESTED. IF THE DALTON DEP IS FLOWN AS PUBLISHED, IT DOES NOT VIOLATE THE NEWARK TCA.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.