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Attributes | |
ACN | 216997 |
Time | |
Date | 199208 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : oxi |
State Reference | IN |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 8000 msl bound upper : 9000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : bos |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Route In Use | enroute airway : zau |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 15000 |
ASRS Report | 216997 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Received 2 RA's on TCASII within 7 mins. First RA was when we were level at 9000 ft. Conflict was indicated to be 100 ft above our aircraft, never attained visual contact. Second conflict was with climbing traffic climbing through our altitude (8000 ft). Both RA's commanded 'descend.' visual confirmation of second RA was attained at 1/4 mi and less than 200 ft above us. Queried ARTCC as to either conflict was indicated on their radar. Answer was no to the first RA, yes to the second RA. Our flight crew was perturbed with the lack of advisories and we expressed that to the controller. Controller subsequently began calling all VFR traffic which was obviously not a conflict to us. In short, the subsequent overkill of TA's did not make up for failing to advise us of the more serious conflicts.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN MDT ACR HAD 2 TCASII RA'S WITHIN 7 MINS WITH NO ADVISORY FROM ATC.
Narrative: RECEIVED 2 RA'S ON TCASII WITHIN 7 MINS. FIRST RA WAS WHEN WE WERE LEVEL AT 9000 FT. CONFLICT WAS INDICATED TO BE 100 FT ABOVE OUR ACFT, NEVER ATTAINED VISUAL CONTACT. SECOND CONFLICT WAS WITH CLBING TFC CLBING THROUGH OUR ALT (8000 FT). BOTH RA'S COMMANDED 'DSND.' VISUAL CONFIRMATION OF SECOND RA WAS ATTAINED AT 1/4 MI AND LESS THAN 200 FT ABOVE US. QUERIED ARTCC AS TO EITHER CONFLICT WAS INDICATED ON THEIR RADAR. ANSWER WAS NO TO THE FIRST RA, YES TO THE SECOND RA. OUR FLC WAS PERTURBED WITH THE LACK OF ADVISORIES AND WE EXPRESSED THAT TO THE CTLR. CTLR SUBSEQUENTLY BEGAN CALLING ALL VFR TFC WHICH WAS OBVIOUSLY NOT A CONFLICT TO US. IN SHORT, THE SUBSEQUENT OVERKILL OF TA'S DID NOT MAKE UP FOR FAILING TO ADVISE US OF THE MORE SERIOUS CONFLICTS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.