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Attributes | |
ACN | 241003 |
Time | |
Date | 199305 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : mia |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 3500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : mia tower : mci |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Small Aircraft, High Wing, 1 Eng, Retractable Gear |
Flight Phase | other |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : departure |
Qualification | controller : radar |
ASRS Report | 241003 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 0 vertical : 500 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Air carrier X departed sebound assigned 3000 ft. Small aircraft Y was holding southeast of the airport at 3500 ft. Separation was 500 ft which is legal IFR/VFR separation. Traffic was issued to air carrier X. As air carrier X was acknowledging, TCASII was heard in backgnd 'traffic, traffic.' after aircraft diverged, a climb was issued to air carrier X. Air carrier X replied with 'that traffic was too close.' I again told air carrier X that 500 ft VFR/IFR separation was used and offered a phone number for further discussion. No reply was received. Again, I asked air carrier X if he wanted the phone number. Air carrier X replied that 'he didn't have a problem with the 500 ft separation, it's just that the 'machine' was going crazy!' TCASII will always issue an RA when using 500 ft VFR/IFR vertical separation, and diverging heading/delete vertical separation rules. These are accepted separation standards that have been used for yrs. TCASII was supposed to be invisible to ATC. I disagree. When a controller can't use accepted separation standards without a pilot getting an RA, the equipment is not invisible. TCASII should not be in service. It's disruptive and dangerous.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR X TCASII RA FROM VFR SMA Y IN TCA. TCASII DISRUPTIVE TO ATC SYS.
Narrative: ACR X DEPARTED SEBOUND ASSIGNED 3000 FT. SMA Y WAS HOLDING SE OF THE ARPT AT 3500 FT. SEPARATION WAS 500 FT WHICH IS LEGAL IFR/VFR SEPARATION. TFC WAS ISSUED TO ACR X. AS ACR X WAS ACKNOWLEDGING, TCASII WAS HEARD IN BACKGND 'TFC, TFC.' AFTER ACFT DIVERGED, A CLB WAS ISSUED TO ACR X. ACR X REPLIED WITH 'THAT TFC WAS TOO CLOSE.' I AGAIN TOLD ACR X THAT 500 FT VFR/IFR SEPARATION WAS USED AND OFFERED A PHONE NUMBER FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION. NO REPLY WAS RECEIVED. AGAIN, I ASKED ACR X IF HE WANTED THE PHONE NUMBER. ACR X REPLIED THAT 'HE DIDN'T HAVE A PROB WITH THE 500 FT SEPARATION, IT'S JUST THAT THE 'MACHINE' WAS GOING CRAZY!' TCASII WILL ALWAYS ISSUE AN RA WHEN USING 500 FT VFR/IFR VERT SEPARATION, AND DIVERGING HDG/DELETE VERT SEPARATION RULES. THESE ARE ACCEPTED SEPARATION STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN USED FOR YRS. TCASII WAS SUPPOSED TO BE INVISIBLE TO ATC. I DISAGREE. WHEN A CTLR CAN'T USE ACCEPTED SEPARATION STANDARDS WITHOUT A PLT GETTING AN RA, THE EQUIP IS NOT INVISIBLE. TCASII SHOULD NOT BE IN SVC. IT'S DISRUPTIVE AND DANGEROUS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.